Milligan's Gander Hill Farm

   / Milligan's Gander Hill Farm
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#11  
September our area was also hit hard by flooding.
The tubes do their job, I have had minimal deer damage due to the tubes. When we had all that rain that caused the flooding some of my tubes became elevated and the voles ended up hitting 3 of my 6' pin oaks. The others are still doing well.
What type of mix of trees/shrubs do you have?

Sorry to hear about 3 of your pin oaks, I didn't have that problem with my tubes, maybe your ties were not tight enough on your stake. What size tubes do you use? We planted Black Walnut, Shellbark Hickory, White Swamp Oak, Red Oak, Northern Pecan, Kentucky Coffee tree, Wild Cherry, and Wild Plum. When they start produsing nuts and fruit it will bring lots of deer and turkeys for me to hunt and provide some for us to eat as well. I might even make some wild Plum wine.
 
   / Milligan's Gander Hill Farm #12  
GAWD I hate people that don't disclose.
Perhaps those folks need a talk from Guido!
Prove the prior owners took CRP funds and knew
of the lost trees for years and accept "payments"
from them for your, umm.... Silence! :)

I wonder if there is a way to turn the flood into a posative.
How about a sump and pump and store the water for controlled
release when you want it? Maybe a good tractor and build
a berm or two. Below the confluence of the streams maybe a few
strategic swipes w/ a backhoe will open it up...An aerial view
when the flood is happening may help as well. Get the RC Heli
w/ Camera or Rocket w/ camera perhaps for a cheap way to do it.
In other threads I read where you can get trail cams that upload
data to the web so you can see your property while away too.
 
   / Milligan's Gander Hill Farm #13  
What size tubes do you use? 5' tubex for the trees and I bought 4' blue-x for the shrubs. I know they say they dont count the shrubs in the tallys but I wanted the shrubs to make it.
Shrubs we planted, elderberry, hazelnut, blueberry, american highbush cranberry,
trees, red oak, pin oak, swamp white oak, black walnut, butternut, shagbark hickory, sugar maple.
I think your right the straps were not tight enough, since the water pushed up on the tube.
I was thinking right along your lines of having a nice area to bring in some wildlife, and have a nice hunting plot. I also want to use any nuts that are dropping to replant areas in our forest as we do thinnning cuts.
All the the shrubs have/are edible producers.
 
   / Milligan's Gander Hill Farm
  • Thread Starter
#14  
GAWD I hate people that don't disclose.
Perhaps those folks need a talk from Guido!
Prove the prior owners took CRP funds and knew
of the lost trees for years and accept "payments"
from them for your, umm.... Silence! :)

I wonder if there is a way to turn the flood into a posative.
How about a sump and pump and store the water for controlled
release when you want it? Maybe a good tractor and build
a berm or two. Below the confluence of the streams maybe a few
strategic swipes w/ a backhoe will open it up...An aerial view
when the flood is happening may help as well. Get the RC Heli
w/ Camera or Rocket w/ camera perhaps for a cheap way to do it.
In other threads I read where you can get trail cams that upload
data to the web so you can see your property while away too.

Its funny you mentioned cameras to keep an eye on my place, I was just thinking along those lines today. I have just put in a pole barn and was thinking of putting up cameras that I could look at on the net, so I could keep an eye on it. I could also point one towards The area where it floods too. Good ideas Artisan,Thanks for the input.
 
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What size tubes do you use? 5' tubex for the trees and I bought 4' blue-x for the shrubs. I know they say they dont count the shrubs in the tallys but I wanted the shrubs to make it.
Shrubs we planted, elderberry, hazelnut, blueberry, american highbush cranberry,
trees, red oak, pin oak, swamp white oak, black walnut, butternut, shagbark hickory, sugar maple.
I think your right the straps were not tight enough, since the water pushed up on the tube.
I was thinking right along your lines of having a nice area to bring in some wildlife, and have a nice hunting plot. I also want to use any nuts that are dropping to replant areas in our forest as we do thinnning cuts.
All the the shrubs have/are edible producers.

Sounds like you have a nice variety of shrubs and trees. I didn't plant any shrubs, but I wished I would have. I also would like to plant some Surgar Maple as well. I was thinking of ordering some in Aug. from the state nursery and planting them in the fall.
 
   / Milligan's Gander Hill Farm
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#16  
The Flooding Aftermath
Posted on June 14, 2012 by Gordon Milligan
After the the flooding in July we decided not to go back to Iowa to see how the trees fared in the flood until after August 15th. That's the time the contract with FSA says we can mow around the trees. They don't want you mowing from May 15th to Aug 15th, when most animals are nesting and having their young.

When we first pulled up and saw our place I didn't know if we would have any trees that survived. The flood had washed out our pre-emergent herbicide and the weeds had taken over. Most all the tree tubes were there, but leaning so you could see which way the flood current ran. All most all the tubes had weeds growing in them and coming out the top of the tube. Some even had vines growing out of them. The weeds were so high we couldn't see if any of the trees not in the tubes had made it through the flood.

I got out of my truck and lifted up the first tube and pulled out the weeds that were growing inside carefully so not to pull the tree out as well. After pulling out the weeds I looked at the little seedling and to my surprise it had green leaves on it.

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The little tree inside the tube that had survived.

It had survived the floods and the weeds. I put the tube back over it and pounded the stake back straight and removed some of the debris that had acumulated around the base. One done, 299 more to go. I was dripping with sweat after this first one. The tempeture was around 95 with 100% humidty levels, with a heat index of 110. I didn't know if my wife and I could do all of them in the two days that we were going to be there.

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Tree tube with debris piled around base

I let Niki, my wife start the mowing with our tractor and I started working on the tree tubes. Another good thing about the tubes, we could see how our rows ran, with out them we would have not been able to tell were the trees were planted because of the tall weeds.

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Picture of our rows of tree tubes after pulling the weeds and straightening the stakes, and mowing around the

This was about the time I was having second thoughts about wanting to be a farmer. This was not what I had in mind when I had dreamed about doing farm work. I didn't know if I could do this without falling over from heat exhaustion. After about a hour I had developed this horrible headache. All my cloths were sopping wet from sweat and the inside of my thighs had started to develope a rash were they were rubbing together. I had no choice, but to keep going.

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Another picture of our tree tubes, if you look closely you can see the tree seedling out line growing in the tube and can see how tall they are.

We got a little over halfway done the first day and went to our hotel room exhausted. We were too tired to go out for dinner. During the night my legs developed sever cramps, and I didn't get much sleep. I had my doubts I would be able to continue the next day.

We woke up at 6 the next morning and surprisingly I felt ok. My legs felt good and the rash I had developed the day before was gone. We got started right away while it was still fairly cool. In cooler weather the work went much faster and we finished up by 10:00 am. It felt good to be done.

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A tree growing out the top of one of our tree tubes.

The lesson here is, if you are going to plant trees in the country, use tree tubes, and I suggest using the 5 ft. tubes to make it harder for the deer to eat them when they grow out the top of the tube. This fall 2012, will be two years since we planted the trees. The trees in our tree tubes have had a survival rate of about 85%, the trees not in the tree tubes only about 25%. Also the trees in the tubes have grown twice as fast. The hardwood trees that are planted in the tubes have not emerged out the tops yet, but the wild plumb, wild cherry, and the kentucky coffee trees have.
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   / Milligan's Gander Hill Farm #17  
Gordo if you are getting leg cramps you are not drinking enough water. With the conditions you describe you really need to be pounding the water bottles.

MarkV
 
   / Milligan's Gander Hill Farm
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#18  
Gordo if you are getting leg cramps you are not drinking enough water. With the conditions you describe you really need to be pounding the water bottles.

MarkV

Thanks markV I will know next time. I thought that might be the cause.
 
   / Milligan's Gander Hill Farm #19  
Our tubes are perforated, I was told that once they start getting near the diamater of the tube to score the perfs so that the tube will split and not damage the tree. The blue-x will just degrade.
 
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Our tubes are perforated, I was told that once they start getting near the diamater of the tube to score the perfs so that the tube will split and not damage the tree. The blue-x will just degrade.

Forgeblast did you say you have TubeX tree tubes? I checked into those and those were nice but they were a little more money, I ended up going with Plantra tree tubes. they also have a perforated line but I have read they don't work as good a Tube x and will probably need to be cut off the tree.
 

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