Diesel catergorized as carcinogen

toppop52 · Jun 25, 2012

Victory Pete said:
Who is is talking about laws, This thread is about Diesel being labeled as a carcinogen.

VP

We all read that headline a few days ago, so what was the point then?

NC tractor driver · Jun 25, 2012

Green

The Godfather of Global Warming, uh Climate Change is backing off on the hysteria.

toppop52 · Jun 25, 2012

his alone says most of what needs saying;

He responds to attacks on his revised views by noting that, unlike many climate scientists who fear a loss of government funding if they admit error, as a freelance scientist, he’s never been afraid to revise his theories in the face of new evidence. Indeed, that’s how science advances.

And the poll shows what the overall public thinks as well;

Poll
Do you think global warming is a real threat?

6%
Yes

1931 votes

91%
No

27633 votes

3%
It won't be my problem

834 votes

ericher69 · Jun 25, 2012

Diesel emissions are harmful like it or not

Under the following legislation

http://m.news.ontario.ca/mol/en/2009/11/firefighter-occupational-diseases-1.html

It is related to certain workplace cancers for Firefighters in Canada

Victory Pete · Jun 25, 2012

toppop52 said:
his alone says most of what needs saying;

And the poll shows what the overall public thinks as well;

Where did you get that poll?

Here is a very recent poll:

http://environment.yale.edu/climate/files/Extreme-Weather-Climate-Preparedness.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/s...bal-warming-to-extreme-weather-poll-says.html

VP

Domush · Jun 25, 2012

MHarryE said:
Not sure why this thread went off the deep end. Started out with someone talking about the latest study showing diesel exhaust emissions to be a carcinogen. It's only the latest. Even the diesel engine manufacturers agree with the data and say the work being done to clean up the engines is the right thing to do. Will you die from diesel engine exhaust? Highly unlikely but the risk is there. Why the big objection to a cleaner environment? Technology is there to do it. Why not reduce the causes of our health problems instead of relying on new developments to treat the illnesses?

Well put, MHarryE.

So many want to cling to the past technologies because "it worked for us in the past", then disregard all of the bad stuff that came out of it, such as greenhouse gases, polluted air and water, cancer rates, birth defects, deforestation, species extinctions and genetic mutations. When the technology of old was created people had little to no idea the harms it would cause. Now we do, so it's time to begin converting to technologies which produce less harms and provide a sustainable future for both us and the children so many people claim to care about. We've already mortgaged our children's future, now there are those who are looking to choke, radiate, poison and freeze them out as well.

Change is rarely easy, but progress is needed for health, both as a population and on a personal level. The EPA is pushing to point out the 'obvious' so those who are in denial over every ill effect of our old ways are displayed as the irrational people they are being. Doing so will help the population as a whole begin putting people in charge who are willing to move forward and remove those who are intent on anchoring us to past, polluting technologies. Are we, as a whole, always successful? Of course not. That is hardly a reason to stop pushing forward. We're all going to die, but that doesn't mean we should die sooner then necessary.

As for the climate change polls.. who cares? When has a vote ever changed reality?

Even if 100% of the people on Earth said the ice caps were reforming, it would not stop them from melting. Stick to the science, not the logical fallacy of 'because lots of people agree with me, it must be true'. Reality is, whether it is pleasant, popular, written down, tested, observed or not. The best anyone can do is act on the known facts. Greenhouse gasses trap warmth, long term ice caps are melting, desalination can change the major ocean currents. Those are the facts, polls and rhetoric do not change them. Act accordingly.

Muhammad · Jun 25, 2012

Several posts have been removed from this thread as they do not meet TBN's standards for conduct. Please refrain from insults and comments that don't contribute to the thread in any constructive manner.

toppop52 · Jun 25, 2012

Victory Pete said:
Where did you get that poll? Here is a very recent poll:

http://environment.yale.edu/climate/files/Extreme-Weather-Climate-Preparedness.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/s...bal-warming-to-extreme-weather-poll-says.html

VP

It was in the article posted, had you read the posts here you would have seen it. And whats with the

on every post. Like someone else here that fancies self brilliance, you're one of the pack, not Einstein.

chad22 · Jun 25, 2012

Just about everything I buy seems to have the labels This product is known to the state of California to cause cancer Birth defects or other reproductive harm. Wash hands after handling.

I've never washed my hands after handling and so far haven't received cancer.

Shoot. I even put my hand over the exhaust of vehicles and other engines to check for lean mixture. I'll even get down and sniff the exhaust with my hand directing the exhaust to my nose. lol

Still haven't got cancer in the 15 or so years of doing the sniff test on the exhaust. Been doing it since I was about 9 years old.

Chad

Victory Pete · Jun 25, 2012

chad22 said:
Just about everything I buy seems to have the labels This product is known to the state of California to cause cancer Birth defects or other reproductive harm. Wash hands after handling.

I've never washed my hands after handling and so far haven't received cancer.

Shoot. I even put my hand over the exhaust of vehicles and other engines to check for lean mixture. I'll even get down and sniff the exhaust with my hand directing the exhaust to my nose. lol

Still haven't got cancer in the 15 or so years of doing the sniff test on the exhaust. Been doing it since I was about 9 years old.

Chad