Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles

   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #101  
The fact that you wrote this means you have never had to deal with the EPA. I have. I have seen businesses wiped out simply because something with their name on it was found at a toxic waste dump. Doesn't matter if they never produced a drop of toxic waste, the government assigns a value and they have no choice, pay or the government takes your assets. It's called cradle to grave, look it up. The company I work for is so worried about it that we now own trucks and ship it directly to the waste sight because the companies that are bonded to haul it charge so much plus the fact even though it's on their truck we have to pay if anything happens.

Read up on cement factories moving to Mexico because of the CO2 emissions being so high in California that the choice was move or fold. Good thing we have that great fence that stops CO2 at the border. There's an Asbestos mine near by that's long been closed. Over the years the tailings were used for gravel roads. The state said that the Asbestos in the rock was killing people. The people in the local towns voted to block the EPA from declaring it a superfund site. When people have two choices, live with dangerous asbestos or have the EPA come in. They made the choice to live with the Asbestos because option #2, the EPA, would have been worse. These are not businesses, just local people that understand that if their is any asbestos in the rock in their driveway then the government can, and will, assign a value to the clean up of the sight to them and if they don't pay the government will seize all their assets.

Do you understand that? People would rather live with the dangers of Asbestos than the dangers of the EPA. That's how bad the EPA is.

Have dealt with the EPA. When something is declared illegal I stay away from it. I don't say, "If no one sees me do it, it's not illegal." Toxic waste leaves a signature that can be traced right back to the polluters front door. We need the EPA to protect the current population of the US and generations to come.

If the town you are referring to is Libby Montana listen to the information here. Thousands dead of Asbestos from W.R. Grace mine in Libby, Montana-3/4 - YouTube It is long. Thousands are still living in Libby Montana and thousands have died. The residents of Libby Montana asked a simple question, "If I move to another location will the asbestos contamination leave my body?" The answer of course was NO. So for this reason they stayed to die in familiar surroundings and with there friends and neighbors.
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #102  
Have dealt with the EPA. When something is declared illegal I stay away from it. I don't say, "If no one sees me do it, it's not illegal." Toxic waste leaves a signature that can be traced right back to the polluters front door. We need the EPA to protect the current population of the US and generations to come.

If the town you are referring to is Libby Montana listen to the information here. Thousands dead of Asbestos from W.R. Grace mine in Libby, Montana-3/4 - YouTube It is long. Thousands are still living in Libby Montana and thousands have died. The residents of Libby Montana asked a simple question, "If I move to another location will the asbestos contamination leave my body?" The answer of course was NO. So for this reason they stayed to die in familiar surroundings and with there friends and neighbors.

the Government should unleash their creation on themselves when dumping nuclear waste in the ocean. problem is, the EPA could be effective, instead its a tool used to control and impeade and always will be. waiting on the Government
to become honest and responsible? keep on waiting, and waiting................. its all about agenda.
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #103  
there was a story on the news a few days ago where a construction group was removing asbestos from a school I think and allowed it to blow all over the place and that was within EPA giudelines. The EPA guidelines are capricious at best
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #104  
They should use the EPA on themselves. The government is a major source of pollution- nuclear is the ultimate pollution- whether in the ocean or eventually in Yucca Flats- built on a fault line. I like seeing them come in and clean up. Maybe cancer won't be increasing.
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles
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An option for those not liking clean air and water is to move to a country that has no regulations, they and their family can consume lots of nasty chemicals that way. If they don't think these chemicals and pollutants will harm them, that is the way to go. The whole world needs to be aware that we live with finite resources and an exploding population. Something has to give, think it through.

Nobody here ever said they liked pollution or living in it. If the environmental zealots really cared they would leave the comfort of the "western world" and protest in Mexico and the far east .
Equipment is way past the point of diminishing returns with fuel efficiency dropping and cost/complexity increasing to cut the last 1-2%.
There are enviro nazis that will cling to thier positions of power until horses were the only source of transportation.
These well meaning but clueless and self centered Cultists don't know when to stop.
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #106  
How many disabled grandchildren are you looking forward to- 25%, 50%, all of them. Roll the EPA back, that is what you will get. It all began here,
Love Canal- the canal that caught on fire.
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #107  
Nobody here ever said they liked pollution or living in it.

It is a bit short sighted to think closing the EPA will make things cleaner, so yes, that is exactly what people here have said. It is the same irrational argument of beheading someone who makes mistakes. The EPA is meant to clean up the environment, and that is what they do. Do they go overboard in some ways? Sure, just as every business tries to push forward. They are a government agency, which instantly means they are for-profit. It also means they are open to lobbyist groups' influence and political pressure. It is the nature of government to be corrupt. Do you want to close the government entirely, too? If so, then we're taking on a whole different discussion.

If the environmental zealots really cared they would leave the comfort of the "western world" and protest in Mexico and the far east .

And at every summit and global meeting, they are there protesting. Of course people will protest more in their own back yards, as it is cheaper/easier and, frankly, more likely to get results. If everyone protested in their own back yards, nobody would have to leave their country to fight for cleaner industry.

Equipment is way past the point of diminishing returns with fuel efficiency dropping and cost/complexity increasing to cut the last 1-2%.

Have you ever read up on the efficiency of the internal combustion engine? They are horribly inefficient (18%-20%). Last 1%? More like last 80%. I have yet to see a single post in which someone has said cars pollute way too much, but even if they did.. they are right, internal combustion engines suck.. gas! Time to push the auto industry to find a better way, or more pointedly, get out of the way of alternatives, such as far more robust mass transit.

There are enviro nazis that will cling to thier positions of power

And that is different from any other position of power, how? This is hardly an EPA specific argument.

These well meaning but clueless and self centered Cultists don't know when to stop.

Seeing as the USA is far behind other countries in mass transit, I hope they keep going until the automotive dam finally breaks and we begin to see alternatives to people driving gas guzzlers into town for a cheeseburger. I would love to see more focus on making mini-cars or purely electric vehicles or modernizing our electric grid to something resembling this century. I find it tough to understand how burying hundreds of billions into the war machine can't be better spent investing it into local research, conversions and modernizations in order to move away from fossil fuels, millions of oversized cars/SUVs/trucks and coal fired power plants.

It seems as though the only people in our way is.. us! We, as a nation, rise up to protect the 'rights' of corporations to sit on technology which can move us forward, then bail out those who are constantly lobbying to keep us back, auto makers, coal industry, big oil, etc.

How does closing the EPA fix any of this?
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #108  
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   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #109  
Nobody here ever said they liked pollution or living in it. If the environmental zealots really cared they would leave the comfort of the "western world" and protest in Mexico and the far east .
Equipment is way past the point of diminishing returns with fuel efficiency dropping and cost/complexity increasing to cut the last 1-2%.
There are enviro nazis that will cling to thier positions of power until horses were the only source of transportation.
These well meaning but clueless and self centered Cultists don't know when to stop.


AMEN to that
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #110  
they wont stop at horses either. they are now looking into farmland and the effects of cow dung getting into the creeks. it will never end. they are trying to protect the earth from itself.
 

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