.40S&W vrs .45ACP

   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #51  
The .40 S&W is based on the 10mm Auto. After the Miami FBI shoot out, the FBI went with a S&W 1076 pistol which used a 10mm Auto cartridge. The problem is that a 10mm Auto can be loaded to power levels in the low end of the 44 Mag. Many/Most people cannot handle that recoil and the FBI lowered the power in the 10mm Auto by using less powder. The reduced power load was/is called the FBI Lite. But by reducing the powder level in the case they could just as well use a short case in the first place. This would be cheaper and one could design a pistol with a smaller grip as well. Thus the .40 S&W was born.

Later,
Dan
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #52  
I guess if I had to sum up my argument, it would be this: you can debate power level and "knock-down" all you want, but at the end of the day, once you have "enough" caliber to do the job, more isn't necessarily helpful, and can be harmful. It's generally accepted that 9mm and above are "enough" caliber for defense, as long as you're shooting +P and hollowpoints, is my understanding. I have also heard some folks say that the newer .380 loads are to the point where they'll do the job as well, but anything less than that, and you're making serious compromises. Are there cases where the extra expansion of the .45 would have nicked an artery or the spine, and a 9mm would not have? Sure. But those are edge-cases. In the majority of shootings, there are a LOT of other factors at play, other than caliber, that determine whether the defender successfully stops the attacker. If I offered to shoot you in the face with a 9mm or a .45, which would you take? Uhh... neither, thanks! So the focus on caliber, although fun to have over a beer or whatever, is kind of wankish.

What are those other factors? The single biggest one, hands down, is training. As was said earlier, if you miss with a .45 or a .22, it's still a miss. Give me the choice between shooting 5000 rounds a year with .45 or 10000 rounds a year with 9mm for the same price, and I'll take the latter. Ability to control the gun is another. Lots of people are going to put more rounds on target faster with a 9mm than a .45, because of the reduced recoil. And let's not forget situational awareness. How many fights are over before they start, because the good guy's gun never even left its holster, because he didn't see the threat soon enough? Okay.

Now, I've gone off on a bit of a tangent, because the OP asked specifically about caliber, but since the conversation has strayed onto other, related topics, that's my two cents.
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #53  
Same here...I just keep 'em, even if I don't shoot 'em.
I bought one of the early Kahr MK9's...great little gun, but way too heavy for pocket carry (which is what I wanted it for). Took me over 10 years to decide to sell it. It was a safe queen for all that time. I'll wager I didn't have more then 500 rounds through it.

Thank you for the information about the barrels. I've read good things about KKM. The reason I'm even considering an aftermarket barrel is my 19 is actually a 19C (compensated). I'd just prefer a standard barrel when I carry it, although the flash isn't too bad...even at night.

Roy, when I initially bought my barrels for the G23 and G27, I just used them for practice as our department didn't allow modifications to our weapons beyond sights and grip sleeves. I was also a bit concerned that the tighter barrels might not be as reliable as the original barrels as you know a Glock will feed just about anything. I now leave my KKM barrels in all the time as I have found them to be as reliable as the OEM barrels. I also bought one for my wife's G19 and never had a problem.

I considered going with one of the compensated models, but had no experience with them and decided against it as the recoil isn't really that bad on any of the Glocks we use.
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #54  
I considered going with one of the compensated models, but had no experience with them and decided against it as the recoil isn't really that bad on any of the Glocks we use.

I wouldn't have bought a compensated 9mm either, but this was an extremely good deal on the 19C.
I have a compensated .357 Magnum...that's OK and I like it (loud though!!), but I'd stay away from compensated semi-autos.
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #56  
Well, they do, but would you really want to carry it? To go bigger, typically means a bigger gun.

I used to shoot a lot of 44mag thru a Desert Eagle. Extremely accurate(shot 100m range), with lots of power compared to a 45ACP(one of my favorites by the way...). Also shot 357mag an 50AE. All three were accurate and worked well on steel at 100 meters.

I carried the Desert Eagle I had(till UPS lost it in shipment) out hunting; it was definitely big and heavy.

There's still 44 Automag's out there now and then, if you want to handload...

I agree that both are good. I prefer .45
Why do I prefer .45? Because they don't make a .46. :)
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #57  
A friend just got his CCW. Interesting thing the instructor said. For protection, use a service grade, affordable weapon. If you do shoot someone, the police will take your gun. Whether or not you'll get it back, after court etc, may be the question, depending on you state/county/locality.
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #58  
I personally have a glock 40 I love it had a couple of 45s and ballistically I could tell the45 hits harder but, if I had a break in , close range the old 12 gauge would be first in my hand, if your close to a vital you hit it.very few survive a direct hit
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #59  
A friend just got his CCW. Interesting thing the instructor said. For protection, use a service grade, affordable weapon. If you do shoot someone, the police will take your gun. Whether or not you'll get it back, after court etc, may be the question, depending on you state/county/locality.

That's very true...and one reason I carry Glocks and Taurus revolvers. Very servicable and relatively inexpensive...
These guys carrying a $2000 Kimber...well, their choice, but I'd hate to lose a $2000 firearm!

Hopefully, nobody here will ever need to use their gun...but if you do, and the LEO's confiscate it, make sure you get a receipt and KEEP IT! Two reasons...it may help you get your gun back, and if the cops lose it (or gets stolen) and used in a crime, that receipt may keep you out of trouble.
 
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   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #60  
A friend just got his CCW. Interesting thing the instructor said. For protection, use a service grade, affordable weapon. If you do shoot someone, the police will take your gun. Whether or not you'll get it back, after court etc, may be the question, depending on you state/county/locality.

This is absolutely true. When I had to send my carry gun off to get Tritium sights put on it, I felt naked without it, and decided then and there that owning a second, identical, gun would be a good idea. Anything happens to the first gun, I'm good to go. Granted, this is not something that everyone can afford to do, but at the time, I could.
 

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