Global Warming?

[Mace Canute]

Cat_Driver - How Gullible are you people? SERIOUSLY.

Yeah, scientists lie. They just lie all the time. You just can't trust the bass_turds. They tell ya it's going to rain and you get dry. They tell ya it's going to be sunny and it rains. Just can't trust them. Oh, wait a minute - that's all about weather and teevee weather critters are chosen for their cleavage. No science there.

Weather is not about climate change or global warming, but when weather becomes a-b-n-o-r-m-a-l it could be a sign of change. Long term change means your crops might not make it, anymore. Farmers know better than others the consequences of unwanted rain and if rain becomes unpredictable in his corner of the world it's a problem. If the entire US mid-west farm zone becomes a heat sink without rain...well, a lot of people will have problems. Reading up on Africa, its expanding deserts and agricultural destruction might help in understanding the human cost. I assume we are concerned with our future.

What scientists do is explore and investigate in search of facts. They do so in rock formations, ocean sediment, tree rings and ice layers that go back thousands of years or more. Scientific analysis of what is found helps measure air quality, temperature, geographic shifts and climate change, for instance. Comparing the results of these scientific investigations gives them a record of - in the case of climate change - how the Earth has transformed over millennium. In the days of dinosaurs they found global warming was the result of a comet or asteroid collision with Earth. So much dust and what-have-you was blasted into the atmosphere that it turned day into night and hence no more dinosaurs.

Some animals survived that cataclysm, but not the dinosaurs. You could say, the animals that die first, from global weather changes are the coal miner's canaries in the coal mine. The miners did not sit about bitching about the dead bird, by the way.

Anyway, science is not about proving what one believes to be true. Science is about truth.

So, 2 questions: Using your football field analogy - Why can you be so sanguine about Earth's destruction in the blink of an eye? Understanding the mechanisms that are creating our looming, environmental catastrophe and possible extinction, why are you so forgiving of the minuscule cabal that is so recklessly destroying our lives?

BTW, who was the CBS scientist that wrote that puff piece?

It's been awhile since I read a post with so much erroneous information and conclusions in it.

 

[Lady Tonka]

Anyway, science is not about proving what one believes to be true. Science is about truth.

I have a Doomer friend who sends me horribly depressing links to predictions about the effects of climate change and I'm an idiot for not being able to resist reading them.

So, I haven't read the nearly 150 pages of this thread and wonder if this essay about methane releases in the Arctic has been posted. The title alone should provide great fodder for discussion:

Global Extinction within one Human Lifetime as a Result of a Spreading Atmospheric Arctic Methane Heat wave and Surface Firestorm

:shocked: :confused2:

The article abstract: Although the sudden high rate Arctic methane increase at Svalbard in late 2010 data set applies to only a short time interval, similar sudden methane concentration peaks also occur at Barrow point and the effects of a major methane build-up has been observed using all the major scientific observation systems. Giant fountains/torches/plumes of methane entering the atmosphere up to 1 km across have been seen on the East Siberian Shelf. This methane eruption data is so consistent and aerially extensive that when combined with methane gas warming potentials, Permian extinction event temperatures and methane lifetime data it paints a frightening picture of the beginning of the now uncontrollable global warming induced destabilization of the subsea Arctic methane hydrates on the shelf and slope which started in late 2010. This process of methane release will accelerate exponentially, release huge quantities of methane into the atmosphere and lead to the demise of all life on earth before the middle of this century.

Arctic News: Global Extinction within one Human Lifetime as a Result of a Spreading Atmospheric Arctic Methane Heat wave and Surface Firestorm

Help! Somebody refute this with some opposing SCIENTIFIC truth so I can get to sleep tonight, please!

 

[GILLYS CHILLI FARM AUSTRA]

Are they blaming the Russians for having too many flatulating red cows in the eastern Siberian region creating and releasing all this methane into the atmoshere or could it be all those political prisoners on all those Siberian prison farms are using all those red cows trying to increase their living standards by manipulating the world temperature so they can enjoy warmer winters? I wonder ?

 

[newbury]

I have a Doomer friend who sends me horribly depressing links to predictions about the effects of climate change and I'm an idiot for not being able to resist reading them.

So, I haven't read the nearly 150 pages of this thread and wonder if this essay about methane releases in the Arctic has been posted. The title alone should provide great fodder for discussion:

Global Extinction within one Human Lifetime as a Result of a Spreading Atmospheric Arctic Methane Heat wave and Surface Firestorm

:shocked: :confused2:

The article abstract: Although the sudden high rate Arctic methane increase at Svalbard in late 2010 data set applies to only a short time interval, similar sudden methane concentration peaks also occur at Barrow point and the effects of a major methane build-up has been observed using all the major scientific observation systems. Giant fountains/torches/plumes of methane entering the atmosphere up to 1 km across have been seen on the East Siberian Shelf. This methane eruption data is so consistent and aerially extensive that when combined with methane gas warming potentials, Permian extinction event temperatures and methane lifetime data it paints a frightening picture of the beginning of the now uncontrollable global warming induced destabilization of the subsea Arctic methane hydrates on the shelf and slope which started in late 2010. This process of methane release will accelerate exponentially, release huge quantities of methane into the atmosphere and lead to the demise of all life on earth before the middle of this century.

Arctic News: Global Extinction within one Human Lifetime as a Result of a Spreading Atmospheric Arctic Methane Heat wave and Surface Firestorm

Help! Somebody refute this with some opposing SCIENTIFIC truth so I can get to sleep tonight, please!

Well take time to read the thread

Yes it's been discussed but not with the sense of "wipeout in 2051" that this blog brings up.
A scientific truth is that we will all be about 39 years older in 2051.
Much of the blame for the Permian extinction is placed on the Siberian Traps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_traps,so without an event like that we probably have at least a few more thousand years to worry about it, thus we will be a few thousand plus 39 years older.

But it is a good read, like Mother Earth has walking flatulence.

 

[joshuabardwell]

Government Funding = Money from Taxpayers.
The government does not make money it takes it from you and me.

Interstate highway = That was more than paid for with fuel tax. Where did the left over go??? On & On you name it, space, canal, or what ever.

Again the Government does not have money other than what it takes from the people and spreads around.

No one makes money. We all just take it (from customers or our boss) and spread it around.

 

[crash325]

No one makes money. We all just take it (from customers or our boss) and spread it around.

Let me be clear for those that want to nit pick.

The Gov does not Earn Money, it takes it from those who do.

The Gov does make money, in the sense that they print it or stamp out coins.

People and company's that create things add to the wealth or the country and add to the economy.
Farmers, minors, oil co.'s Manufacturers and so on add to the wealth.

What the Gov takes usually detracts from the economy. The more they take the less the citizens or earners have.

When someone or some thing TAKES your $, That pretty much means you got nothing in return.
The Coke machine took my money, but didn't give me the "Coke".
If I grow a pumpkin and you pay me a dollar for it, did I take your money or did I earn your $????
If I help a company build widgets, do I earn my money or did I take it.

For the Flat Lander's that say wealth cannot be created and there is only so much wealth to be spread around. Were that the case, we would still be using sea shells & wampum for money. The world money supply grows all the time.

Enough for now.

 

[Dustier]

Cognitive dissonance aside, if you understand the cause of why the dinosaurs went the way of...the dinosaur, you understand global warming. That is, unless you suffer cognitive dissonance. So, how 'bout that everyday blow that went through the heartland, eh?

 

[Tollster]

Hope the nay sayers are having a real nice HOT summer, enjoy it boys!

 

[GILLYS CHILLI FARM AUSTRA]

Hope the nay sayers are having a real nice HOT summer, enjoy it boys!

In Melbourne Australia it is rather cold and wet and in my area - 5 degree Centergrade sometimes, but we very rarely get snow except in the high country. Its colder this year than a couple years ago, but we have these cycles every few years. Our Reservoirs were nearly empty at 40% about 3 years ago but now they nearly 80% full. What might happen though is that the tropics might become the new antartica and Antartica might go back to being in the Tropics...and the people will gradually move around with the weather. The Phillipines& Indonesians people will just get onto boats without visa's and might end up swarming into Alaska and Canada but not sure where Australians, Canadians and Americans are going to be able to go without our proper passports when no-one wants us except our lands.

 

[GILLYS CHILLI FARM AUSTRA]

Hope the nay sayers are having a real nice HOT summer, enjoy it boys!

In Melbourne Australia it is rather cold and wet and in my area - 5 degree Centergrade sometimes, but we very rarely get snow except in the high country. Its colder this year than a couple years ago, but we have these cycles every few years. Our Reservoirs were nearly empty at 40% about 3 years ago but now they nearly 80% full. What might happen though is that the tropics might become the new antartica and Antartica might go back to being in the Tropics...and the people will gradually move around with the weather. The Phillipines& Indonesians people will just get onto boats without visa's and might end up swarming into Alaska and Canada but not sure where Australians, Canadians and Americans are going to be able to go without our proper passports when no-one wants us except our lands.