That is the truth that says it all.
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That is the truth that says it all.
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greasemonkeyok
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Yup. I may not be as vocal as Roy Jackson with his attacks on the anti-gun lobby, but my sentiments are pretty much in line with his. It is misguided logic to blame the tool, when the cause is some sort of mental defect, moral breakdown, or whatever you want to call it.
"No Guns" sign means no Greasemonkeyok as a patron. I votes with my sneakers.
"No Guns" sign means no Greasemonkeyok as a patron. I votes with my sneakers.
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There is no doubt that I am vocal on this infringment of our rights. And I hope many people join me. Voting with your sneakers helps, but it's not enough. Your elected officials must hear from you and the more people they hear from, the better.
The NRA, Second Amendment Foundation and GOA cannot do it all...
As you all know, the government tends to create knee-jerk (Feel good) laws when tragedies like this happen. And, those laws, as misguided as they may be, affect all of us. Never forget that!
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Roy is right about letting your elected officials know you're out there, and what your feelings are!
Bloomberg and his cronies are looking to make political hay off this tragedy.
Bloomberg and his cronies are looking to make political hay off this tragedy.
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45 years ago I learned that the NRA had power way beyond their numbers because, even with some folks who do not own guns, this issue touches a nerve regarding government intrusion into personal conduct.
Absolutely true it definitely goes farther than just owning firearms it is rooted in the very early stages of the constitution and w/o the second amendment the rest would not be possible.
I get so aggravated at the shot gunners that say they dont support rifles of certain types and visaversa rifle guys saying shotguns are something they dont care about phooey if the goobers take one they will take all of them period. We all need to support all firearm ownership whether we personally have any use for them or not.
They all show their colors as being non NRA members when they talk that way. (scabs) I am very serious when I tell someone that has a gun that isn't a member they OWE the NRA for the continued right to have the guns they own or plan on buying and they need to become members...
My wife and I are both life members and we dont take any of the gifts we only send money and always will to keep ALL people as free as we can be and to make our own choices. my .002
Now my daughter has finally come around to the idea she wants her CCH and her husband also we will probably give them life memberships. We already got them yearly now and it is a great feeling to hear your formally very liberal daughter saying conservative things and realizing big goobermint intrusion is bad. I thanked God and the NRA for that.
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I see Bro 'Bama is starting his anti-rights agenda:
Obama calls for measures against gun violence - Washington Times
The rest of the article:
Obama calls for measures against gun violence - Washington Times
dmccarty
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After reading about various massacres over the years it seems like mass murderers fall into two groups. Those that intended to die when they are finished and those who don't die, intentionally or not. These events seem to wind down if the murderer has time to complete his fantasy. I say fantasy because I think that word best applies to their warped mindset. I wonder if the fantasy starts to dissolve as they kill and reality intrudes. Does the reality and/or the end of the fantasy/plan then shut them down? I have wondered about this since Lubby's when the guy killed himself in the bathroom. Seems like if you were going to kill yourself after a massacre you would not retreat to the potty. I guess we will never know, and the answer is not likely helpful in any case, but I still wonder.
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Dan
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What you say is true but you missed something very important. While shooting/stopping the bad guy is the best outcome, simply firing at the bad guy is going to cause him problems. Engaging the bad guy requires him to ignore what is now a threat to him or the bad guy continues to go after defenseless people. If the bad guy ignores the threat that makes it that much easier for follow on shots. I doubt the bad buy is going to ignore the threat. That would take some very good discipline on the bad guys part. Possible but not likely.
So the bad guy engages the threat. Lets just say that is you.
This is goodness. :laughing: You might not think so as he turns to face you but you just bought time for innocent people to get out. At a minimum you should be able to buy a few seconds of time which is going to allow quite a few people to escape even if you get shot. Hopefully you take the SOB down. If not, your actions allowed others to escape. Most likely the shooter never thought about being engaged until the POlice show up so you should have the element of surprise. You should be able to get a few shots before he recognizes the threat he was not anticipating. That dark that is effecting your aim is going to be just as applicable to him. But again YOU have surprise. The bad guy has to first realize that someone is shooting at him. That is going to take time. Then the bad guy has to FIND you as you shoot at him. This gives you quite a bit of time to fire before he has even found you so he can engage you. By engaging the bad buy you just got inside his decision circle and he has a problem. His plan is being interrupted. He has to stop shooting at others to find the threat and remove the threat. That is going to stress him out which effects his aim and his abilities. That is to your advantage. It buys time. Seconds DO count. Every second is that much more time for people to get to safety. If you ONLY manage to buy 5 or 10 seconds, frankly I think you would buy far more time, those few seconds will allow quite a few people to escape. In 5-10 seconds the bad guy might have fired 10-30 rounds. That is valuable time to take from the bad buy and give to someone else.Look at what happened with the old guy in the Internet Cafe that was getting robbed. I still don't know how that man did not shoot those two robbers dead. But he surprised the scat out of them, completely disrupted their plan and chased them out of the store. I doubt the type of bad buy we are discussing is going to run like heck out of the place when faced with a threat but you never know. Even if the bad guy is not stopped, a defender can buy time. The defender might pay a very heavy price for buying time but it beats being slaughtered and almost certainly allows others to live.
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Dan
Noted.
And this is presuming the bad guy even is aware of in coming rounds that may not be hitting him in a theater full of loud noises and flashing light etc in this case and you are close enough to take an aimed shot in those conditions.
I am absolutely sure he would know if a round hit him but would he know a miss and react hard to say jmho.
Don't get me wrong Dan I am 110% all about shoot the sob whomever it is when they pull a gun like this I am just real hesitant to speculate on the outcome based on things I see.
Here is what I see month after month at the local pistol matches and it happens to the best of them. People shoot low or they shoot all over the place except where they should. That is my premise mainly the innocent bystanders in between the bad guy and the good guy.
And this is presuming the bad guy even is aware of in coming rounds that may not be hitting him in a theater full of loud noises and flashing light etc in this case and you are close enough to take an aimed shot in those conditions.
I am absolutely sure he would know if a round hit him but would he know a miss and react hard to say jmho.
Don't get me wrong Dan I am 110% all about shoot the sob whomever it is when they pull a gun like this I am just real hesitant to speculate on the outcome based on things I see.
Here is what I see month after month at the local pistol matches and it happens to the best of them. People shoot low or they shoot all over the place except where they should. That is my premise mainly the innocent bystanders in between the bad guy and the good guy.