backhoe question

[Martian]

Yea, quite dangerous. Espeically with and older and sloppier machine.

Mine can do that, I have done it to an extent to get out of tricky situations. Balancing on JUST the bucket isnt really stable. And one wrong twitch of the swing lever and over she'll probabaly go:confused3:

I've used it to 'slide' around as well. Don't like the feeling being on that bucket at all!

 

[KiotiDave]

Hey All,
How many of you out there have a Woods BH80 on your larger CK model tractors? Check the specs against the KB2485. Pretty similar? yet nobody has a problem putting that bakhoe which is rated for 20+ HP on one of our CK models.
If you check all Kioti backhoes from the pivot(swing) pin to the seat, they are all exactly identical. They only require about 7-1/2 GPM @2200PSI to operate(which is very efficient). The CK puts out 12+GPM at a higher pressure.
We use the outriggers quite often when loading the rear tires and they will and did lift the rear of the tractor up 3-4 inches,BUT you cannot have your front bucket on the ground as it is working against you.The proper use of the riggers and FEL bucket to stabilize the tractor during use of the hoe is not to lift off the ground. Put the riggers out and unload some weight and SET THE PARKING BRAKE...then tilt your front bucket down until it is square into the dirt and take some weight off the front. DO NOT LIFT ANYTHING OFF THE GROUND. Your parking brake and rear tires will also help to prevent creeping, but the backhoes are strong enough to move the unit even with the bigfoot pads. This is normal.

Everyone( or most everyone) on this site knows us, we have a very good rep on here and would never do anything to hurt a customer or a tractor. We thoroughly check the operation of every function befoore we deliver a unit to a customer. The customer has been instructed(and will be re-instructed) on the proper use of this equipment.
At the insistance of our customer who vowed this unit was for light duty work, but needed as much reach as possible...WE ARE THE ONES WHO PUT THIS BACHOE ON THIS RIG!!!! And yes we did lift the rear end to load the tires and yes the customer will get a new smaller bucket, but he absolutely had to have the use of the hoe right now. So we let him use a 24" bucket and told him to be careful not to try and pull too much material at one time. We tried to talk him into the KB2475 but when he saw the reach on this unit he had to have it.
So, if you compare this hoe to the woods BH80 which a large number of you have out there, I would not worry about the backhoe damaging the tractor.
I hope this eases the debate over this particular discussion.
Dave G.
KiotiDave

 

[diaedy]

Amen Thanks for the followup as it is rest assuring so to speak. Thank you to everyone who follows and has opinions as that is what forums are for, to help and to offer their opinion.
diaedy

 

[LD1]

Hey All,
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Yes, thanks for the followup. If you have read this entire thread, you can understand some of our confusion.

AS stated several times, we ALL know it is not normal practice to lift the tractor with the pads. We know this. BUT....the tractor STILL must be able to. At least more than the 1" that is being climed in order to work safely on less than flat terrain.

And the fact that he also says the only way to get the rears to lift the tractor is a combination of boom downforce and outriggers tells me either two things.....the kioti hoe is very weak (not likely), or there is some other issue going on that we are yet unaware of and trying to figure out. And also the fact that the boom itself doesnt have enough power to lift the rear of the tractor is a testament to the same. Maybe it is just these small backhoe "attachments" as I am used to full-sized stuff, but if a backhoe dont even have enough power to lift the rear of a light tractor, how is it going to be productive in hard ground?

 

[dfkrug]

Balancing on JUST the bucket isnt really stable.

You can say that again. The "classical" way to dig a trench with a backhoe involves
moving the tractor back over the finished trench using the boom and swing, balanced
on just the hoe bkt. I have seen it done many times by others with industrial TLBs.

My Kioti can do that, but it is just too tippy when you do the swing. I chickened out
when I tried it.

 

[Gary Fowler]

Yes, thanks for the followup. If you have read this entire thread, you can understand some of our confusion.

AS stated several times, we ALL know it is not normal practice to lift the tractor with the pads. We know this. BUT....the tractor STILL must be able to. At least more than the 1" that is being climed in order to work safely on less than flat terrain.

And the fact that he also says the only way to get the rears to lift the tractor is a combination of boom downforce and outriggers tells me either two things.....the kioti hoe is very weak (not likely), or there is some other issue going on that we are yet unaware of and trying to figure out. And also the fact that the boom itself doesnt have enough power to lift the rear of the tractor is a testament to the same. Maybe it is just these small backhoe "attachments" as I am used to full-sized stuff, but if a backhoe dont even have enough power to lift the rear of a light tractor, how is it going to be productive in hard ground?

I certainly agree with LD1 and I dont understand why picking the tractor off the ground at the rear wheels is bad. Everyone agrees that it is ok to raise an inch. An inch is as good as a mile if you raise the tractor any amount, you have placed all the weight on the backhoe which is as it should be. You could easily break an axle or axle housing expecially on some of the smaller tractors if you allow the weight of the hoe and the induced loads of the hoe to transfer to the tractors axles. If the design is so poor that you cant pick up a 2-4K tractor then I would be afraid to use it to dig with in harsh conditions. When operating my BH in my hilly area here in Arkansas I sometimes need to dump the bucket fully and pick up the front as high as it will go to level the tractor. Also need to fully extend the stabilizers to level in side to side. Failure of a Backhoe to perform any of these functions would make it unsafe to use and I dont believe any dealer's lies when he says that the backhoe is not designed to do that. The frame should be strong enough to support the total weight of the backhoe AND any load induced by the hoe regardless of whether the hoe is picked up 1" or 4" or like the one idiot YouTube video where the guy has it 8 feet in the air. Failure of a backhoe to be able to level itself is reason enough for the dealer to take it back and fix it or replace it with the correct hoe. If the owner isnt willing to wait for the proper equipment then he deserves what he has got, however the dealer shouldn't have installed any equipment that is not designed and approved by the tractor and backhoe manufacturer for the piece of equipment.

 

[Jesse masterson]

I have a rhino 95c and it will pick my dk 45 at least 4 to 6 inches off ground the outriggers should be able to do thiseasily. As far as hurting the tractor I don't believe it hurts it . I've done oit alot with no problems. The dk 45 has alot heavier frame than even necessary. It's built heavy. I can't speak for the smaller tractors though