Buying Advice Kubota L3800 vs Mahindra 3616

[LD1]

The smartest salesman I know once said:

"if I cannot sell a brand based on the merits of it alone, and I have to stoop to bad-mouthing or saying something negative about the competition in order to make a sale, then I need to find something else to sale."

Nothing at all wrong with comparing. But I dont like bad-mouthing of anything. I like tractors. ALL tractors. But I also understand that they are all different and spec different as well. They all cant be the same:thumbsup:

Even with my "underpowered" loader that only lifts 1100lbs (even though it is underrated as I know to be fact), it can lift a FULL bucket of anything I want. Sand, stone, or wet clay. And it takes all of 1000lbs + to keep the rear down. So just general operating of the tractor, I do not find myself wanting for more. At least not without more weight and a bigger bucket. But then I just hop on the Ford 5500 with 5000lbs + lift and 18,000 lbs of machine

 

[murphy1244]

But... Dave was comparing the Max28. That's mahindra's SMALL 28 hp tractor. It would compare to Kioti ck27. with the KL130 FEL... which lifts 1155lbs.

The comparable mahindra... lifts 1402 lbs.

Mahindra's BIG 28 hp lifts over 1600lbs...

That was Dave's point. I think.

No he was comparing a 3616......Dk is far stronger the that

 

[eagle107]

The DK40 is a strong tractor, no doubt. I was referring to the interesting fact that the relatively small Max series have substantial lift capacity compared to some larger tractors that are orange and not Kioti.

But along the lines of a heavier frame 40'ish HP tractor Mahindra has a simple old-school 4025-4wd at 41 HP that lifts 2866 lbs and a 42 HP 4530 that lifts 2950 lbs. But we are getting into quite a but heavier tractors.

I think Kioti and Mahindra make great tractors and not to get off subject or hijack the thread with this question, but why do you guys tout the loader lift amounts at the pivot pins? The Koiti KL401 loader specs shows 2761lbs lift capacityto maximum height at pivot pins and the Mahindra ML120 loader specs show 2400lbs lift capacity to maximum height at full height pivot pins.

For years loader measurements have been taken at the bucket's center which is 500mm forward. Regardless if you have an oversize bucket, standard bucket, bale spear or pallet forks, the 500mm forward measurement is a good estimate of what the tractor can actually lift. The pivot pins measurements are usually between 20% and 25% more than the 500mm forward measurement, but the pivot pin measurement has no real world use as tractors do not lift any loads from the pivot pins; the pivot pins measurement is largely a useless figure, but I understand that bigger numbers sell more. The same holds true for the bucket’s breakout force. That should be measured from the 500mm forward measurement at ground level, but yet I see some manufacturers are taking measurements from the pivot pins measurement instead. The pivot pins measurement just seems to be a tactic of offering more lift performance than what it actually is.

It seems that John Deere, Case/New Holland and Kubota are still more honest by offering their loader specs at both the pivot pins and 500mm forward measurements at the full height, at 59 inches and the breakout force. Is there any place where we can find these same specs for the Mahindra and Kioti loader models?

 

[94BULLITT]

Mahindra Don, don't let LD1 get your goat. He's actually a good guy, but he secretly regrets not buying a Mahindra. And he is pretty good with getting his facts straight. It's his opinions you have to watch out for. :dance1:

He is just a little mystified about his 34HP Kubota lifiting only 1142 lbs in the front loader when a little Max28 lifts 1402 lbs and the 3016/3616 lifts over 1650 lbs, 508 lbs more than his, or you could say 44% more lift capacity. That is huge. But he brings up a good point; how do you do that and not be tipping all the time. We did a video once and posted it and I think we determined that the loader bucket on his Kubota was quite a ways forward from the front tires, and the Mahindra keeps theirs tucked in closer, allowing more lift capacity. The further out the bucket is from the front axle, the easier it is to do back-wheelies. Of course the Kubota allows a little more reach with the bucket, and that can be handy. With either tractor, use proper ballast always.

The 3616 is a deluxe model, more comparable to the Grand L type Kubota, not the more economy minded "00" series. Having said that, the "00" series tractors from Kubota are hugely popular and are surely good machines. They are a good value, but if you are going to pay about the same amount, I think the 3616 gives you a little nicer tractor. It is built in Japan by Mitsubishi and the 5-year warranty is included. But as LD1 mentioned, you just won't get to use the warranty much on a high quality machine so it is more just a peace of mind thing.

One thing for sure is that yu can't go wrong with either.

LD1, be nice now....be gentle with your response, I am sensitive.

His kubota lifts 1142 on fel @ 24''s. Where is the max lifting 1402, on the the moon? How is the 3616 a deluxe model it does not have telescopic lift arms?

 

[madmax12]

No he was comparing a 3616......Dk is far stronger the that

??? Dave himself replied twice regarding his post...even specifically to you. His clarifications reaffirm what I wrote.

 

[eagle107]

His kubota lifts 1142 on fel @ 24''s. Where is the max lifting 1402, on the the moon? How is the 3616 a deluxe model it does not have telescopic lift arms?

This is my point. The Mahindra Max states the loader is lifting 1402lbs at the pivot pins but not 500mm forward. The actual lift capacity for the L3800's LA524 loader is 855lbs at 500mm forward (the bucket's center) which is approximately 25% less than the pivot pin measurement. So if we take the Mahindra Max's ML205 loader's 1402lbs pivot pins measurement and reduce it by 25%, the ML205 will actually lifts approximately 1052lbs at 500mm forward. So that is actually the truer lift capacity of the Mahindra Max. So if we do the same thing for the Mahindra 3616's ML115 SKC loader specs, the pivot pin measurement is 1650lbs and now reduce it by 25%, the actual lift capacity is 1238lbs at 500mm forward which is the truer lift capacity for that loader.

 

[LD1]

Loader and 3PH lift specs are just numbers on a piece of paper for comparison. And they are usually conservative numbers at that. Why some dont offer more measurements??? I dont know, but at least they do offer enough to make an accurate comparison of different brands.

 

[94BULLITT]

This is my point. The Mahindra Max states the loader is lifting 1402lbs at the pivot pins but not 500mm forward. The actual lift capacity for the L3800's LA524 loader is 855lbs at 500mm forward (the bucket's center) which is approximately 25% less than the pivot pin measurement. So if we take the Mahindra Max's ML205 loader's 1402lbs pivot pins measurement and reduce it by 25%, the ML205 will actually lifts approximately 1052lbs at 500mm forward. So that is actually the truer lift capacity of the Mahindra Max. So if we do the same thing for the Mahindra 3616's ML115 SKC loader specs, the pivot pin measurement is 1650lbs and now reduce it by 25%, the actual lift capacity is 1238lbs at 500mm forward which is the truer lift capacity for that loader.

Those number sound closer to what a tractor that size will lift. One thing I can't figure out is if a 3616 will lift so much why do it come 50" bucket that is on 14" or 15" deep.

 

[LD1]

Those number sound closer to what a tractor that size will lift. One thing I can't figure out is if a 3616 will lift so much why do it come 50" bucket that is on 14" or 15" deep.

Where did you see that at?? I am seeing the ML115 loader for the 3616 listed as a 60" bucket 8.6cu/ft volume (or 1/3 yd roughly). That is the same size that is on the kubota L3400/3800 series

 

[eagle107]

Loader and 3PH lift specs are just numbers on a piece of paper for comparison. And they are usually conservative numbers at that. Why some dont offer more measurements??? I dont know, but at least they do offer enough to make an accurate comparison of different brands.

I totally agree that the numbers on the manufacturers spec sheets are conservative estimates, but some manufacturers fall short in providing accurate comparisons on some things like the loaders and 3PH (which should measured at 24" behind the lift points).

However, what gets people confused is that some manufactures' loader spec sheets only point out the pivot pins measurement and not the 500mm forward measurement which makes people think their loader is a lot more powerful than it is. It would be nice if the manufacturers followed some kind of standard which included all measurements for their loaders. Then you would have a more accurate comparison and less confusion. I just want people to realize that if you only see a pivot pin measurement for a loader and not the 500mm (19.6 inch) forward measurement, take the pivot pin measurement, reduce by 20% to 25% (23% might be the safe zone number) and that should give you the approximate 500mm forward measurement which is a truer number for the lift capacity of the loader.

I am done and beat this one to death...