Who is buiilding John Deere CUT's?

[jd670]

Just looked at the tag on my 3320. It says "John Deere Moline,Illionis assembled in USA". My 670 tag said Yanmar Corp. Japan. It would be nice to have an all American made tractor or truck for that matter, but I dought that will ever happen.

 

[s219]

But they have also discontinued the 3005 . . . so I don't think that one counts anymore.

They are still making the 3005 as of September 2012 -- have not heard anything about it being discontinued. But regardless, I am not sure how being discontinued would change anything -- it's not like the tractor will suddenly morph into a non-Yanmar unit!

 

[Katahdin]

My father-in-law and his business partner bought a 1026 R with a D120 loader this year. The engine tag is Yanmar with a date of 03/2012. The John Deere tag also says assembled in Moline, Illinois.

I decided to go directly to Yanmar to buy my tractor, I figure it cuts out paying the middleman (besides the dealer!) and they're offering good discounts and warranties. I've wondered if John Deere's are more expensive than Kubota because both JD and Yanmar need to make money off the same tractor.

 

[ctlguy]

Price is a standard that the vendor's have to meet. And it is the cheapest that can meet the oem standard. Not just tractors, but a lot of "manufacturing" in the US today is assembly of imported sub assemblies. The last worker laid off will be the guy who sticks the "made in USA" decal on whatever is "manufactured" in that facility. Assembly is less capital intensive, and labor intensive

A good example is Deere closing it's Canadian plant that made loaders. It moved production to Mexico. Canada got too expensive relative to Mexico.

I could have done a better job on my point here. Just trying to state that price is not the "only" consideration, although it is very important.

 

[Gary Fowler]

Other than the 2x20 Series, please tell me which JD CUTs / SubCUTs are built by someone else and "painted/badged" John Deere.

Have you been to any John Deere plants? Augusta, GA? Grovetown, GA? Fuquay-Varina, NC? Rock Hill, SC? Greeneville, TN? Horicon, WI?
Originally Posted by Gary Fowler

...In many instances, they are contracted to build the entire tractor and paint it /badge it as JD, NH, MF, Case etc. Many times these rebadged tractors are more expensive than the parent tractor brand that may also be sold here with more standard features than the USA branded equivalent. Folks that buy the name still think they are getting a USA product but are actually paying mucho $$$ for just a dealership name which might be worthwhile to have in some instances. But in truth, if the original manufacturer goes under or decides to no longer support a particular model, parts etc for the rebranded tractor are not going to be available from JD, MF NH, etc. regardless of how good the dealer is.
Please tell me which part of the statement above is untrue
I appreciate that you are happy with your LS but please do not put "information" out there when really it is just speculation on your part as to what really happens or does not happen at these plants. I have been through Augusta, Fuquay-Varina and Horicon, WI and they all actually build equipment. Are there sub-assemblies or parts that come in from different vendors and from other Deere plants? Absolutely. Does LS manufacture everything that went into your P-7010C? Hydraulic cylinders? Axles? Transmissions? Frames? Seats? Loader arms? Hydraulic pumps? Driveshafts? I have no idea which is why you don't see me speculating about it... OTOH, if LS decides it wants out of the CUT business or just out of the CUT business in North America, where will you be?

JD, NH, MF, C/IH have all used outside manufacturers through the years and parts are very available for many old machines. Are you really telling everyone that Yanmar, Shibura, Iseki, etc will go out of business OR decide not to support a particular model and they will all be up the creek? Why is that not the same for LS and Kioti and Bobcat and McCormick? Where is FarmTrac today? Montana?
[B]I didnt say that it would be any different if any one of those companies failed. BUT buying a "color" for thousands of $$$ more doesnt guarantee you any more that they will be in business any longer than any other[/B].

Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion - but please do not state them as fact when, in fact - you don't actually know.

I think it is you who is misinformed or just delusional perhaps. Working for JD and actually owning and operating them are not the same. As far as my LS tractor buying: I bought it mainly on price and visual quality compared to all the other brands. Whether or not it stands the test of time is yet to be determined. So far it hasnt had to go back for any mechanical service. I had two issue both of which were due to some misuse by me. Fuel tank leakage was redesigned and new tank supplied, broken drawbar bracket has a whole sub assembly supplied all under warranty. A look at the LS forum to date when compared to all the other branded forums looks pretty impressive for the LS line of owners who have reported few if any problems with their machine that were not operator error issues.

 

[art]

Deere used Yanmar as a primary line in the seventies and have since bought plants in india and china to build the smaller tractor chassis as that is where a considerable amount of the markets are. Do prices go up when a different manufactuer assembles or markets a piece? No matter if it's a tractor or a car or computer, nobody gives it away or sells at no profit so everytime someone else touches it the prices go up. Different manufacturers all do it different and even the safety systems on tractors might be hard to get the components for after twenty years no matter what brand. As manufactuers change selling agents the prices do fluctuate unfortunatly normally upward. Yanmar reliability put deere solidly into the compact tractor business.

 

[meburdick]

My father-in-law and his business partner bought a 1026 R with a D120 loader this year. The engine tag is Yanmar with a date of 03/2012. The John Deere tag also says assembled in Moline, Illinois.

I decided to go directly to Yanmar to buy my tractor, I figure it cuts out paying the middleman (besides the dealer!) and they're offering good discounts and warranties. I've wondered if John Deere's are more expensive than Kubota because both JD and Yanmar need to make money off the same tractor.

Even if Yanmar makes, sells it to Deere, and Deere sells it for what Yanmar would sell it for, they're both still making money.

Producing the product costs money (materials, labor, research and development, etc). Sell it for more than you have it on the books for, and you've made a profit. How MUCH profit needs to considered, and for that you have understand whether or not you're doing anything after the sale.

If you manufacture a product and sell it direct to consumers, you have to warranty the product (parts AND labor). If you sell it to a third party for re-sale, you may or may not have to warranty the parts (but you will almost certainly not have to warranty the labor). So, your selling price is reduced. Also, third parties by thousands at a time. Consumers buy one at a time. Economy of scale allows a lower selling price for higher volume.

You're looking at it from a micro level, and you need to step back to see the macro level. Sometimes, a vendor like Deere can sell an item for LESS than what it would cost you as a consumer to buy it direct from the manufacturer due to all of the economies that Deere introduces into the system by purchasing 100,000 of something.

 

[Martian]

They are still making the 3005 as of September 2012 -- have not heard anything about it being discontinued. But regardless, I am not sure how being discontinued would change anything -- it's not like the tractor will suddenly morph into a non-Yanmar unit!

That BleedGreen said it was the only model still in production that's 100% made by Yanmar. It's no longer in production. Since it's not in production, then both what I and BleedGreen are 100% correct, the 2x20's are the only 100% Yanmar unit left.

My father-in-law and his business partner bought a 1026 R with a D120 loader this year. The engine tag is Yanmar with a date of 03/2012. The John Deere tag also says assembled in Moline, Illinois.

I decided to go directly to Yanmar to buy my tractor, I figure it cuts out paying the middleman (besides the dealer!) and they're offering good discounts and warranties. I've wondered if John Deere's are more expensive than Kubota because both JD and Yanmar need to make money off the same tractor.

Engine does not equal tractor Just because the engine is made by Yanmar, the rest of the tractor is made by Deere... You cannot go to a Yanmar dealer and buy a tractor exactly like the 1026r, you could get the same engine. So if you truly want a Deere product, you do indeed have to buy a Deere.

 

[s219]

That BleedGreen said it was the only model still in production that's 100% made by Yanmar. It's no longer in production. Since it's not in production, then both what I and BleedGreen are 100% correct, the 2x20's are the only 100% Yanmar unit left

First of all, there are 2012-model 3005 tractors for sale at my local Deere dealer. We're still in the 2012 model year. I don't know how you want to define it, but I am thinking that if I can buy a new 2012-model Yanmar built Deere in the year 2012, then I feel pretty comfortable saying that in Yanmar makes the current model 3005. Feel free to come back and argue the minutiae on January 1 2013, or when Deere rolls out the official 2013 lineup minus a 3005.

Second, this is a dumb point to argue, as we consider that Yanmar-built 3005 to be a fine tractor, and I have no problem with it being built by Yanmar. In fact, it's done a heck of a lot better in the quality/reliability department than my neighbor's "non-Yanmar" 1026R, which has turned out to be a real hassle for him. The 3005 has a much beefier construction than many other Deeres due to it's legacy design.

I am not sure, but I seem to be detecting some attitude in the thread here that being Yanmar-built is a bad thing or something to look down on, and not as good as a "real" Deere. As if people need to defend against it or explain it away with weak excuses. That is a pointless and limiting attitude to have. There's no reason a Yanmar-built Deere couldn't be as good, or better than, a US-built Deere. My neighbor's experience with the 1026R is a perfect example.

 

[YesDeere]

I loved my 790(3005). Just was tired of shifting and needed more lift capacity. If I didn't get such a great deal on my 4310 I would have bought a new yanmar. They are bullet proof. I admit I am fond of JD Greene but those yanmars are tough. Btw I had no idea who made my 790 when I purchased it