Florence Child Dies in Tractor Accident

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Government or other groups (MADD) should not mandate freedom of choice weather it be ignorance or other.
And I read all my Manuel's to all equipment I use and own and stare at the idiot labels that are plastered on everything due to people spilling hot coffee in their lap at the drive thru of any McDonalds and suing. Or how they put engine kill switchs on mowers so you can't mow backwards.
All the labels and Manuel's in the world will not stop bad choices. I really don't want anymore governing of my equipment.

We are in agreement with government and freedom of choice...but FYI...'MADD' does not mandate anything...they merely bring (or try to bring) awareness...IMO...all those safety precautions and "idiot labels" are for people that are too stupid or ignorant to know better in the first place...and it's insurance cos. that require said precautions and labels...not the gov.

as far as the "weather" goes...it's raining here tonight...

 

[Grateful11]

I wish the people being so negative in this post would really stop and think. Especially, "Some people will never learn," like it's just a casual incident. A woman lost her child. A family lost their sister. Children too young to understand mortality lost a friend. Yes, it could have been avoided, but that is true with most car wrecks, heart disease, and diabetes. Why judge someone who is hurting more than I've probably ever hurt in my life. Why not just pray for them. There is nothing harder than living with regrets. I can't imagine how she must feel. But, I don't blame her. I've been guilty of doing things I know I shouldn't have done, but have never had to face such a tough consequence. Please quit judging, and start caring.

I'm sorry but a child being ran over by a parent is far different from someone dying of heart problems. I should know, we buried our 21 year old son last summer due to sudden heart failure. There were no signs of a problem. So don't come on here and judge these folks on a situation that was totally avoidable and then compare it to heart disease. I know what this little girls parents are going through to a degree, they're going to blame themselves for the rest of their lives. I've questioned myself a thousand times as to why didn't I see something, anything happening before we lost him.

It does get easier with time but it's always going to be there in the back of their minds, you never get over it. I will keep them in my prayers.

 

[swick1]

I am always surprised when people bring up Pascal's Wager as a serious argument, given how easy it is to discredit it. There is even a section in the very Wikipedia page you link, called "Criticism".

Pascal's Wager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's also interesting to me that people consistently omit this part of Pascal's Wager:

In other words, American Christians hold up Pascal's Wager as argument that their God should be believed in, but the Wager itself contains the premise that all of the Christian beliefs about the specific nature of God must be rejected as totally invalid. Oops.

Demonstrably untrue.

There are no atheists in foxholes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I agree with and always have agreed with his wager. It is a piece of the big picture; an incomplete argument, but a starting point nonetheless. The scripture "let men work out their own salvation with fear and trembling" comes to mind.

Upon review of everyone's input I believe we are all trying to be safe and none of us expect divine intervention to relieve us of our responsibility as adults to protect those without the ability to think ahead for themselves. Its kind of funny how most safety threads follow this pattern though. Kinda sounds like the gossip that goes on at church.

"Oh, SHE doesn't use ballast even though we had a sermon on it just last week! Can you believe it? And she still walks in here like she's a done nothing wrong. Did you notice she didn't come forward during the altar call?"

 

[rtimgray]

Once again you prove you don't know what "Critical Thinking" is.

Why not expound on this Mace? Didn't you say "Doing the same thing they did and expecting a different result is not rational."

So again, by that logic, if I have always let my child ride with me, and it's been a safe practice in the past, then shouldn't it always be? I'm just using your example.

Or maybe, just maybe, the world is not quite as black-and-white as you portray it to be. Of course it can be, once we know the outcome of a situation, because then we can condemn others for their poor choices or lack of critical thinking, because we would have been smarter than that. That goes back to my example of the lack of homicides in my town - are we safe forever or are we due? No matter how much you think about it, you can still be wrong, and when it's over, I can still be the one to say "Wow - that was stupid - why didn't you see that coming?"

Has anyone ever watched a horror movie and seen the victim decide to go check out the noise in the dark basement, while we sit on the couch and say "Man, I wouldn't do that. I'd get the heck out of there." Because we know what's going to happen - the victim's gonna get got.

My main dissent with the comment of critical thinking is the timing of it, relative to this situation. We could go through a million activities, from buying a happy meal to face jumping, and assign different degrees of hazard to them. However, it is still going to be incumbent upon each individual to "critically think" which reward is equal to or greater than the risk. This is the disconnect that I mentioned earlier - what one person thinks is an acceptable risk may not be for another, and once again, in any given set of circumstances, each person may be right and each person may be wrong.

I reiterate my comment that it is not my style to tell someone that lost a child (through what I would say is indeed an unfortunate accident) - "I told you so - you should have thought about that more." They are more than aware of that and don't need anyone else pointing it out.

And I, to a great degree, do agree with your "critical thinking", Mace. My other contention is that now you, myself, and others all have the benefit of hindsight to condemn the folks that made a poor choice, even when hundreds or thousands of folks make poor choices every day and we don't get to say "I told you so" because it didn't turn sour for them.

 

[tinner666]

More sad news. Sorry to hear it.

 

[/pine]

There is nothing that can be done for the lost child and little to relieve the grief and sorrow of the family.. this type of "accident" happens much too often...(one is too many but every year we read about them)

Bringing awareness of the dangers is the only way to help prevent it from happening less frequently...after the fact does no good at all...

 

[Gator6x4]

There are no atheists in foxholes.

I think I have seen a couple.

Regrettable that another small child’s life was lost. I vaguely recall another posting of such an incident where the person was charged with child endangerment. The majority consensus at that time was charging the person was bureaucratic governmental interference.

 

[Gator6x4]

I'm sorry but a child being ran over by a parent is far different from someone dying of heart problems. I should know, we buried our 21 year old son last summer due to sudden heart failure. There were no signs of a problem. So don't come on here and judge these folks on a situation that was totally avoidable and then compare it to heart disease. I know what this little girls parents are going through to a degree, they're going to blame themselves for the rest of their lives. I've questioned myself a thousand times as to why didn't I see something, anything happening before we lost him.

It does get easier with time but it's always going to be there in the back of their minds, you never get over it. I will keep them in my prayers.

Sorry about your great loss, please accept my heart felt condolences. I don’t have children but I stood beside my older brother while he buried two sons that also died from sudden heart attacks. He was always in my mind’s eye a steadying calming influence in any storm. The death of his two sons was something I do not think he ever fully recovered from.