$200 Pocket Pistol

[Soundguy]

the day i got licensed to carry a gun, and then actually carried it. i mentally told myself that i was stepping across a line. at that point.. in a self defense situation.. I had the ability to try to defend myself, that may also TAKE someone else's life.

no need to waste time carrying if you have not already made the decision to fire. waiting till you are attacked to cross that line is the wrong time.. too late. you needed to make that decision the first time you put your gun on.

and since target practice on live targets just is not possible.. the best we can do is train on skill, safety and proficiency and hitting your mark ( now that's what I call gun control'. have the correct state of mind going in.. and the skills.. and that's just the most we can do. sure.. there are a thousand variables and lots to go wrong. but going in with a few things on your side is better than nothing.

Bird said,



I think what Bird is talking about is the mental aspects of having to shoot, not the mechanics there of. One does not know what one will do at that Moment until faced with the situation. Training helps to a point.

Once upon a time I was in a Defensive Tactic class. The instructor asked how many people could use deadly force. He phased it in such a way to remove all doubt, if, ands, or buts, about having to use deadly force. Only about 1/3 of the class raised their hand. When I saw that the MAJORITY of the class did NOT raise their hands, I figured THEY needed to LEAVE and find another profession.

There is a training film out there taken from a SC officer's patrol car video camera. The officer gets into a long chase and eventually the small truck stops. The driver gets out, reaches behind the seat to pull out a long gun to shoot the officer. This takes what seems like forever. The officer, a young guy, is telling the driver to do this and that but the bottom line is the officer needed to shoot that driver. The officer did not shoot, instead he was shot, he screamed as he was shot, and he died. The officer had MORE than enough time and reason to shoot the driver BUT HE JUST COULD NOT DO IT. We will never know WHY the officer could not shoot. Was it because he could not harm another? A religious issue with taking a life? Was he afraid of the legal hit he would take? Was he worried whether he SHOULD shoot? Some/all of the previous? We will never know.

What we do know, is that he SHOULD have shot the driver. He did NOT shoot the driver. He DIED as a result. The office just COULD NOT use deadly force. He mentally was not prepared and he paid the piper.

That video is, shall we say, INTENSE. The scene is replayed over and over to drive home the lessons the officer paid to teach. I saw this video in a room full of very experienced officers. As the situation worsens, there were mumblings to shoot. There is a point in the video when the driver pulls out the long arm. The officers in the room as a group yelled for the OFFICER to SHOOT. Of course he did not, was hit, scream, and died.

One does not know how one will react until placed in that position. Most who do use deadly force are deeply affected.

Later,
Dan

 

[RSKY]

Dmccarty, I have said it before in other threads but I will say it again. If I am threatened I will first try to talk, If that doesn't work I will try to leave the area. Only if that does not work and I have absolutely no other choice would I respond with deadly force. But threaten my wife, one of my daughters, or heaven help you if you threaten my granddaughter. In one of those cases I will do whatever it takes to whatever extreme.

What I'm trying to say is that I would have a harder time defending myself than my family. By myself I would have a strictly defensive mindset. With others to protect I might act quicker to remove the threat!

It would be the difference between returning fire or being preemptive.

Hope I am making sense. Typing on a cell phone is difficult.

RSKY

 

[Soundguy]

tell me about cellphone typing..

as for not defending myself as good as defending otheres.. I don't think like that.

when the thugs are done killing me.. they will be after my wife.

even if not right then.

If i'm dead and gone because I wanted to talk instead of shoot. then 3 weeks later when my 'wifes' house gets broke into and I'm not there to protect her because i'm dead.. well..

shoot first...before they get you.. it's self defense.. and it's important on many aspects.

protect the protector.....

 

[Bird]

The officer did not shoot, instead he was shot, he screamed as he was shot, and he died. The officer had MORE than enough time and reason to shoot the driver BUT HE JUST COULD NOT DO IT.

I don't know how many times and how many places that has happened, but it definitely has happened. Many years ago, Dallas had what the news media called "shotgun squads". During late evening or night hours, we'd put an officer with a shotgun in the back room of liquor stores and convenience stores to watch through a one-way mirror for hijackers. And some officers did shoot and kill some robbers, although I don't remember how many. I sat in a few places myself, but none of the places I stayed were robbed, so I never had to do any shooting. But we had one young officer in a convenience store when it got robbed. Then the robber marched the clerk into the back room at gunpoint. The clerk later said that, for reasons unknown, the officer had stood his shotgun in a corner and was standing there with his pistol in his hand. The store clerk said as he walked by the officer, he said (to the officer), "Shoot him!" He said the officer said to the robber, "Drop your gun" and the robber said to the officer, "You gotta be kiddin'" and fired, killing the officer. So, as you said, Dan, the officer had more than ample opportunity to shoot the hijacker, and apparently couldn't do it.

On the other hand, when I went through recruit school, on the days we were on the shooting range, some of us played a little game. The guy with the low score had to buy the cokes at the end of the day. Now we were always lined up the same, so the same guy was always on my left, and he didn't participate in the game because he knew he'd lose; just couldn't get the hang of hitting the target. However, he was the only one in that recruit class of 29 recruits who ever had to shoot anyone. It was a couple of years, I guess, after we left the academy when it happened. Now his shot placement might not have been the best, because he fired 5 shots, hit the perp every time, and the perp still walked a short distance before falling dead.

 

[RSKY]

I didn't mean I would not defend myself. What I mean is I would respond at an earlier stage in the incident if my family was present.

I think we all need to be careful what we type on this or other forums. I have no doubt that it someone were involved in a shooting, and the other guy's lawyers found that the shooter was making statements on a forum about being aggressive in a confrontation, that it would come out at trial.

Kinda like me and a couple others being told never to pull the hammer back during a confrontation as the lawyers would say that was an escalation. First shot double action only! Yeah, right!!!!

LOL, get ready moderators!

RSKY

 

[dmccarty]

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On the other hand, when I went through recruit school, on the days we were on the shooting range, some of us played a little game. The guy with the low score had to buy the cokes at the end of the day. Now we were always lined up the same, so the same guy was always on my left, and he didn't participate in the game because he knew he'd lose; just couldn't get the hang of hitting the target. However, he was the only one in that recruit class of 29 recruits who ever had to shoot anyone. It was a couple of years, I guess, after we left the academy when it happened. Now his shot placement might not have been the best, because he fired 5 shots, hit the perp every time, and the perp still walked a short distance before falling dead.

I had sorta typed up something similar but deleted it...

Once upon a time, something similar happened with people I knew. A young officer, not the best shot at all, had to shoot someone with a knife. Each round he fired hit the person with the knife. Which was pretty good because he was moving back as fast as he could to keep from being carved up. The person shot, lived. Not sure what mental condition the person was in before or after the incident but the officer suffered from that shooting. It cost him a marriage, some friends, and he left the department to work else where. Legally, everything was fine, but the mental affects of the shooting were literally a life changer.

To SoundGuy and RSK, practice shooting and think about What Ifs. Ok, now I would say to watch YouTube videos. But in the end, most people don't know what they will do in that Moment. I have read of officers being ok in one incident and then just locking up in another. I have also read that an officer who does not properly handle the mental effects of a shooting is not likely to survive a second. Now, the odds of an officer getting into a shooting is already low so getting into two shooting is not likely but it does show how these incidents affect people.

How did we live without the Internet? HDWLWTI. :laughing:

Eddie Haskell aka Ken Osmond was an LAPD officer for years. I read years ago about him being in not one, but two, incidents. :shocked: Did some searching, From Eddie Haskell To The Lapd - Chicago Tribune Today, I would be shocked to see an officer back on the street 30 days after a shooting. There was a write up somewhere about his two incidents. He was danged lucky to survive both shootings.

Later,
Dan

 

[sdkubota]

Someone threatens my life and I will empty my clip into them then gut them and mount them above my fireplace.

 

[duke7595]

too much worrying dude. If you think about the consequences while you have an intruder in your sights in your house with your family presnt, you: A. Dont feel threatened becuase you have time to think about it, and B. You care to risk yourself and your families well being. Just shoot the SOB if he makes one false step toward disarming you and doesnt comply to your demands. This isnt that hard to figure out. Lethal self defense is to be used when you fear that your life or someone elses is in direct threat. No jury is gonna hold you accountable unless you chased the guy out the door and down the road and then blew his brains out. Lets not get to crazy. If you need real legal advise that woories you about imprisonment for protecting your home, you should consult an attorney. Me and many others will just do what needs to be done without consultation. As long as crooks and rapist stay out of my front door, they wont meet my friend buck shot to the face

I believe you have a great deal to learn about the reality of life. Your words reflect that of a child playing some bizarre game, the taking of a human life is not easy

it is forever and never clean, they lie there and gasp and bleed and die. Choose your words carefully some of us may take offense to your carefree style.

" meet my friend buck shot to the face" This is how a child speaks.

 

[RoyJackson]

Now...about that $200 pocket pistol...

 

[k0ua]

Now...about that $200 pocket pistol...

Roy it is kinda like setting back a ways from the tracks and knowing that there could be another train wreck right before your eyes, but there is nothing you can do about it.