Outrage after NY paper publishes names of gun permit holders

[TripleR]

Yep, class 3 firearms are available for those with the money to afford them.
It costs about $200 for the paperwork to purchase the firearm.
No "permits" required...just the tax stamop documentation.

Yep, my old neighbor has an M60. He paid $2000 for it and now it's worth three times that if not more. He is a truck driver who enjoys shooting it. My nephew goes to the Knob Creek Machine Gun shoot over in KY every year.

 

[/pine]

Not quite. I can easily see an armed society as an evil and threat to all...

IMO it's your misguided vision that is faulty/limited not the 2nd amendment...!

 

[RadarTech]

IMO it's your misguided vision that is faulty/limited not the 2nd amendment...!

I agree

 

[RoyJackson]

Yep, my old neighbor has an M60. He paid $2000 for it and now it's worth three times that if not more. He is a truck driver who enjoys shooting it. My nephew goes to the Knob Creek Machine Gun shoot over in KY every year.

I looked into a Class 3 (Vector Arms had a couple hundred registered UZI receivers and the built up guns were being sold for $3500). I guess I didn't want one bad enough.
If I had bought two of 'em, I'd have gotten a free UZI since the price doubled as soon as they ran out of receivers...buy 2, sell one and get a "free UZI".
Oh well, 100% hindsight...

 

[TripleR]

I looked into a Class 3 (Vector Arms had a couple hundred registered UZI receivers and the built up guns were being sold for $3500). I guess I didn't want one bad enough.
If I had bought two of 'em, I'd have gotten a free UZI since the price doubled as soon as they ran out of receivers...buy 2, sell one and get a "free UZI".
Oh well, 100% hindsight...

Story of my life too. I couldn't afford to feed a full auto though, I have enough trouble as it is. I hate reloading, but it looks like I am going to have to start back again.

 

[Steve_Miller]

Here is how Canada classifies guns. Taken from Gun politics in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many would you have to dispose of up here?


Classification of firearms

According to licences, firearms are classified into prohibited, restricted and non-restricted categories, as defined by Part III of Criminal Code (R.S., 1985, c. C-46)[28] Note: The word "prohibited" is a classification and does not indicate that such firearms are "prohibited" as per the normal use of the word.

Prohibited firearms include:

Handguns

with a barrel length inferior to 105 millimetres (4.1 in), or;
that are designed to discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition;
exceptions are stated in the Regulations Prescribing Exclusions from Certain Definitions of the Criminal Code International Sporting Competition Handguns[29]

Rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing, cutting or any other means, so that:

the barrel length is inferior to 457 millimetres (18.0 in) (regardless of overall length), or;
the overall length is inferior to 660 millimetres (26 in)

Firearms which have fully automatic fire capability, or "converted automatics" (i.e.: firearms which were originally semi-automatic, but have been modified to discharge ammunition in an automatic fashion)
Firearms prescribed as prohibited by the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted (SOR/98-462)[23]:

Firearm capable of discharging dart or other object carrying electrical current or substance, including Taser Public Defender and any variant or modified version of it
Firearm known as SSS-1 Stinger and any similar firearm designed or of a size to fit in the palm of the hand
Carbines, rifles and shotguns of designs commonly known as, including any variants or modified versions of them:

A.A. Arms AR9 semi-auto rifle and AR-9 carbine
AK-47 rifle and all variants, including AK Hunter, AKM, AKM-63, AKS-56S, AKS-56S-1/2, AKS-74, AKS84S-1, AMD-65, AR Model .223, Dragunov, Galil, KKMPi69, M60, M62, M70B1, M70AB2, M76, M77B1, M78, M80, M80A, MAK90, MPiK, MPiKM, MPiKMS-72, MPiKS, PKM, PKM-DGN-60, PMKM, RPK, RPK-74, RPK-87S, Type 56, 56-1, 56-2, 56-3, 56-4, Type 68, Type 79, American Arms AKY39, AKF39, AKC47 and AKF47, MAM70WS762, Mitchell AK-22, AK-47 and Heavy Barrel AK-47, Norinco 84S, 84S AK, 56, 56-1/2/3/4, Poly Technologies Inc. AK-47/S, AKS-47/S and AKS-762, Valmet M76, M76 carbine, M78/A2, M78 LMG, M82 and M82 Bullpup, except: Valmet Hunter, Hunter Auto and M78
American 180 auto-carbine, including AM-180 and Illinois Arms Co. Model 180 auto-carbines
Armalite AR-180 Sporter carbine
Barrett "Light 50" Model 82A1 & Model 90 rifles
Benelli M1 Super 90 and M3 Super 90 shotguns, except: M1 Super 90 (Field/Sporting Special), Montefeltro Super 90 (Standard Hunter/Left Hand/Turkey/Uplander/Slug/20 Gauge), Black Eagle (Limited Ed./Competition/Slug Gun), Super Black Eagle (Custom Slug)
Beretta AR70 assault rifle
Bernardelli B4 and B4/B shotguns
BM 59 rifle, including: Beretta BM 59, BM 59R, BM 59GL, BM 59D, BM 59 MkE, BM 59 MkI/MkII/MkIII, BM 59 Mk Ital/Ital TA/TP/Para and BM 60CB, as well as Springfield Armory BM 59 Alpine, BM 59 Alpine Paratrooper and BM 59 Nigerian MkIV
Bushmaster auto-rifle
Calico M-900 rifle, including M-951, M-100 and M-105 carbines
Cetme Sport auto-rifle
Claridge HI-TEC C, LEC, ZLEC-9 carbines
Daewoo K1, K1A1, K2, Max1, Max2, AR-100, AR-110C, MAXI-II and KC-20 rifles
Demro TAC-1M and XF-7 Wasp carbines
Eagle Apache carbine
Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45 carbines
FAMAS rifle, including MAS223, FAMAS Export, FAMAS Civil and Mitchell MAS/22
Feather AT-9 semi-auto carbine and AT-22 auto-carbine
Federal XC-900, XC-220 rifles and XC-450 auto-rifle
Fabrique Nationale FN FNC, FNC-11, FNC-22, FNC-33, FNC Auto and FNC Auto Paratrooper rifles, as well as FN FAL, FN 308 Model44, FAL Competition Auto, FAL Heavy Barrel 308 Match, FAL Paratrooper 308 Match 50-64 and FN 308 Model 50-63
Franchi SPAS 12, LAW 12 shotguns
Franchi SPAS 15 shotgun
Galil assault rifle, including AP-84, ARM, AR, SAR, 332 and Mitchell Galil/22 auto-rifle
Gepard anti-materiel rifle
Goncz High-Tech carbine
Grendel R-31 auto-carbine
Heckler&Koch G3, G3A3, G3A3ZF, G3A4, G3SG/1, G11, HK33, 33A2, 33A3, 33KA1, HK91, 91A2, 91A3, 93, 93A2, 93A3, 94, 94A2, 94A3 and PSG-1 rifles, as well as: MP5, MP5A2, MP5A3, MP5K, MP5SD, MP5SD1, MP5SD2, MP5SD3 submachine guns
Iver Johnson AMAC long-range rifle and Plainfield Super Enforcer carbine
J&R Eng M-68, PJK M-68 and Wilkinson Terry carbines
Kimel Industries AR-9 rifle/carbine
Leader Mark Series auto-rifle
Maadi Griffin rifle/carbine
McMillan M87, M87R rifles and M88 carbine
Pauza Specialties P50 rifle and P50 carbine
PE57 rifle
Research Armament Industries Model 500 rifle
SIG AMT, SG-550 rifles and SG-551 carbine
Spectre auto-carbine
Springfield Armory SAR-48, SAR-48 Bush/Heavy Barrel/Para/22
Steyr AUG rifle
Striker, Striker 12 and Streetsweeper shotguns
Thompson submachine gun including: Model 1921, 1927, 1928, M1, Auto-Ordnance M27A-1, M27A-1 Deluxe, M1927A-3/A-5, Commando Arms MkI, MkII, MkIII, Mk9, Mk45
Universal Enforcer Model 3000 auto-carbine and Model 3010N, 3015G, 3020TRB and 3025TCO carbines
US Arms PMAI assault rifle
USAS-12 auto-shotgun
UZI, Mini-UZI and Model A carbines
Weaver Arms Nighthawk carbine

Pistols, revolvers and other handguns of designs commonly known as, including any variants or modified versions of them:

AA Arms AP-9 auto-pistol and AP-9, Target AP-9 and Mini AP-9 pistols
Bushmaster auto-pistol
Calico M-950 auto-pistol and M-110 pistol
Claridge Hi-Tec Models S, L, T, ZL-9 and ZT-9 pistols
Cobray M10, M11, and RPB M10/M11/SM10/SM11 and SWD M10/M11/SM10/SM11 pistols
CZ Skorpion auto-pistol
Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45 assault pistols, including MP-9, MP-45 mini pistols
Federal XP-450, XP-900 auto-pistols
Goncz High-Tech long pistol
Grendel P-30, P-30M, P-30L and P-31 pistols
Heckler&Koch SP89 auto-pistol
Ingram M10, M11 pistols
Interdynamics KG-99 assault pistol
Intratec Tec-9, Tec-9S, Tec-9M and Tec-9MS auto-pistols (as well as any semi-automatic variant including Tec-DC9, Tec-DC9M, Tec-9A, Tec-Scorpion, Tec-22T and Tec-22TN)
Iver Johnson Enforcer Model 3000 auto-pistol
Kimel Industries AP-9 pistol
Leader Mark5 auto-pistol
Maadi Griffin pistol
OA-93 assault pistol
Patriot pistol
Partisan Avenger auto-pistol
Spectre auto-pistol
Sterling MK6 carbine
Steyr SPP auto-pistol
Sterling Mk7, Mk7 C4 and Mk7 C8 pistols
US Arms PMAIP assault pistol
UZI, Micro-UZI pistols
XM231S pistol and A1, A2, A3 Flattop pistols

Restricted firearms are:[30]

Any handgun that is not prohibited (note: handguns are prohibited if the barrel length is inferior to 105 millimetres (4.1 in); handguns cannot be non-restricted)
Any firearm that is:

not prohibited;
that has a barrel length inferior to 470 millimetres (19 in), and;
that is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic fashion

Any firearm that can be fired when the overall length has been reduced by folding, telescoping, or other means to less than 660 millimetres (26 in)
Firearms prescribed as restricted by the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted (SOR/98-462),[23] and any variant or modified version of them:

High Standard Model 10 Series A & Series B
M-16 rifle, including Colt AR-15, AR-15 SPI/Sporter/Collapsible Stock Model/A2/A2 Carbine/A2 Government Model Rifle/A2 Government Model Target Rifle/A2 Government Model Carbine/A2 Sporter II/A2 H-BAR/A2 Delta H-BAR/A2 Delta H-Bar Match/9 mm Carbine, Armalite AR-15, AAI M15, AP74, EAC J-15, PWA Commando, SGW XM15A and CAR-AR, SWD AR-15, as well as any .22 calibre rimfire variant of it including Mitchell M16A-1/22, M-16/22, CAR-15/22, AP74 Auto Rifle

(Note: legally, restricted firearms can only be discharged at shooting ranges; so while one can use them in competitions, one cannot use them for hunting)

Non-restricted firearms are:

any other rifle or shotgun, other than those referred to above.

 

[dave1949]

IMO it's your misguided vision that is faulty/limited not the 2nd amendment...!

It's not my vision, it is your failure to educate yourself on the 2nd Amendment: ruling of the Supreme Court in a 2nd. Amendment case:
District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

My vision is for a society that understands when it is harming itself and takes action to reduce that harm. How in God's name did we reach a point where we seriously consider armed guards at every school house? What is next, every grocery store, every fair grounds, every sports event, every bus and train? Explain the benefits of this madness to me.

What is your vision? Tell me what your perfect world looks like.

 

[RadarTech]

It's not my vision, it is your failure to educate yourself on the 2nd Amendment: ruling of the Supreme Court in a 2nd. Amendment case:
District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

My vision is for a society that understands when it is harming itself and takes action to reduce that harm. How in God's name did we reach a point where we seriously consider armed guards at every school house? What is next, every grocery store, every fair grounds, every sports event, every bus and train? Explain the benefits of this madness to me.

What is your vision? Tell me what your perfect world looks like.

We are going thru the events like Israel and other middle eastern countries...

Honestly these shootings are terrorist activities....

 

[dave1949]

I looked into a Class 3 (Vector Arms had a couple hundred registered UZI receivers and the built up guns were being sold for $3500). I guess I didn't want one bad enough.
If I had bought two of 'em, I'd have gotten a free UZI since the price doubled as soon as they ran out of receivers...buy 2, sell one and get a "free UZI".
Oh well, 100% hindsight...

Hundreds shoot machine guns in North Anson to support combat-wounded veterans — Mid-Maine — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine

Here you go Roy. I guess you moved to Vermont/White River Junction area? Sort of lost track. This is probably about a 2 1/2 hour drive.

 

[daugen]

There's a huge market for varmint hunting with that round. Coyotes come to mind.

for things bigger than the .22 and smaller than your deer rifle? Agreed.

But you do NOT need to unload a 30 clip mag on full auto into a coyote, unless you are really ticked off at him.