Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns?

[Don87]

Interesting comments on a very emotive subject.

IMO, as a participant in Australian Gun Buy Back, it was nothing more than a political knee jerk reaction appeasing the mass outrage to a single horrific & tragic event.

Did it remove weapons from the streets ? A most, maybe marginally short term. Has is it done anything to curb illegal gun ownership/use ? Only if you're dreaming....gun crime & illegal gun ownership has not change appreacably + or -, & statistically in Australia no conclusions can be draw to any impact on mass shootings due to their extremely rare occurence.

For sporting & farm shooters the buy back was welcomed on some fronts, mostly because the government paid over the odds for aged & obsolete weapons allowing legal shooters to be paid extra dollars during the buy back & upgrade/replace later........

Sure there's increased restrictions effecting legal gun ownership & law abiding citizens, but the maximum penalties for illegal ownership/use are so rarely imposed they're insignficant to create any deterent for those already bent on a criminal existent......so criminals continue to readily access weapons & law abiding citizens are curtailed in their ownership......
Arguably, also now the fringe "nutters" may potentially have less access to firearms & correspondingly because of government welfare cut backs less access to mental healthcare.....so if/when another random mass attack occurs in Australia it is in theory less likely to involve a legally obtained firearm than an illegal firearm or perhaps other means of mass destruction, hardly a sobering thought....

Welcome to the USA.............and to be more specific...........Connecticut.

And not to mention the ACLU: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...Health-Bill-May-Have-Stopped-Friday-s-Shooter

 

[MBTRAC]

Welcome to the USA.............and to be more specific...........Connecticut.

And not to mention the ACLU: Recently Defeated Connecticut Mental Health Bill May Have Stopped Friday's Shooter

Thanks for the link/background - seems the world over every minority has their rights protected by civil liberties groups to ensure they are not discriminated against..... to the detriment & ultimate expense of the innocent/law abiding majority........

The epitaph of our society shall read : "born to freedom , legislated to death......."

 

[Gunny]

I live in a very rural area, nearest large city is about 60 miles away. While I was with the Sheriff's office, they busted a crime ring that drove down from one of those cities twice or three times a week to break into houses, steal their possessions, then head back home to sell the stuff and get money for drugs. They used their cell phones to call the fence and arrange a price while on the road. Luckily, they never ran into anyone when they were breaking into the houses, so nobody got hurt, but it could have happened. I transported one of them back and forth for court appearances and when clean, this kid seemed to be a great guy, he blamed it all on drugs, said that he'd played basketball in school, had a scholarship to college, but dropped out after he got hooked on drugs and had to steal to support his habit.
Bottom line is that you don't have to be in a bad neighborhood for crime to happen, the crime can and will come to you.
I don't even own one of those evil black assault rifles (even that name is a misnomer, something someone made up because they couldn't figure out what the AR stood for) and usually, all my guns are locked in the safe, other than one. A gun in a safe isn't going to help you when you need it. Assuming you can get to and use a phone isn't going to help you when the cops are 15-20 minutes away.
Like the other poster, I've got some problem neighbors down the road, everybody else is always finding things missing, torn up, vandalized or something, except me. Everyone knows I own guns and I practice frequently, just to remind everyone. I've yet to have anything missing or vandalized at my house. Wonder why?
Why do I carry? Why do people buy insurance for their cars, their homes, their health? A lot will say because they have to, but the majority of the people will say because you never know when you'll need it. Well I buy insurance too, but I also carry some with me. Just in case I need it.
I've transported many people for mental evaluations and with the exception of a very few, most were just kept for 72 hours, then released to go home. Two of those people later on went on and bought firearms, legally, because it is against the law to report the fact that they've been treated for a mental condition. Existing laws on drugs need to be enforced. When someone steals thousands of dollars in possessions to buy drugs, then is fined $5000, made to serve 6 months and spend 54 months on probation, he hasn't been taught a lesson, he's just had a hickup in his business model.

Yes, the mother made a mistake over the security of her weapons, but it amazes me that people who seem to condemn killing and guns don't think it's wrong that she also died because of that mistake.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Gun control means hitting your target ! if anyone thinks by imposing more laws it will stop crime they are wrong ! gun laws will only effect the "law abiding " percentage of the population . you would have as much success controlling gun sales/ ownership as you would drug sales and use ,None ! and enforcing these new laws would be impossible at best , If you don't like guns don't buy one ,if you do buy 20 ! I was carjacked in Florida in 1991 while getting my 5 year old daughter into my Caddy after having dinner in St Petersburg . My Gun was under the front seat and I did not have the time to even reach for it before I had a sawed off 12 gauge stuck to the back of my head ! The police found my car 3 days later in a housing project and when I got it back the gun was still under the front seat !they never found it ! Now I have it in my pocket and have a small safe bolted under the back seat in my truck to secure it when I'm somewhere that guns are not allowed ,while driving it sits on the consol . Many say no one needs a gun you can call the cops to protect you and why would you call a cop ? BECAUSE HE HAS A GUN ! I think for myself and family we will continue to carry our guns and protect ourselves new laws or not ! For you that may seem extreme but here in Knoxville calling 911 means waiting 45 minutes for a cop to show up and thats a long time ! You could more than bet that just about every truck outside of the city limits has at least one and maybe more ,The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun ! Walk into most gun shops and pawn shops selling hand guns here and the shelves are almost bare ,sales have skyrocketed since the shootings one local store sold 94 AR 15's in one day !

 

[IslandTractor]

Gun control means hitting your target ! if anyone thinks by imposing more laws it will stop crime they are wrong ! gun laws will only effect the "law abiding " percentage of the population . you would have as much success controlling gun sales/ ownership as you would drug sales and use ,None ! and enforcing these new laws would be impossible at best , If you don't like guns don't buy one ,if you do buy 20 ! I was carjacked in Florida in 1991 while getting my 5 year old daughter into my Caddy after having dinner in St Petersburg . My Gun was under the front seat and I did not have the time to even reach for it before I had a sawed off 12 gauge stuck to the back of my head ! The police found my car 3 days later in a housing project and when I got it back the gun was still under the front seat !they never found it ! Now I have it in my pocket and have a small safe bolted under the back seat in my truck to secure it when I'm somewhere that guns are not allowed ,while driving it sits on the consol . Many say no one needs a gun you can call the cops to protect you and why would you call a cop ? BECAUSE HE HAS A GUN ! I think for myself and family we will continue to carry our guns and protect ourselves new laws or not ! For you that may seem extreme but here in Knoxville calling 911 means waiting 45 minutes for a cop to show up and thats a long time ! You could more than bet that just about every truck outside of the city limits has at least one and maybe more ,The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun ! Walk into most gun shops and pawn shops selling hand guns here and the shelves are almost bare ,sales have skyrocketed since the shootings one local store sold 94 AR 15's in one day !

I suppose if you had your gun in your pocket or concealed carry holster you could have drawn,aimed and fired to protect yourself and caddy. I'm sure all you self reliant superhero types can do that faster than the guy behind you with the 12 gauge pressed against your head could move his finger half an inch to render your daughter fatherless.

Crime sucks. Gun crime sucks worse. Playing superhero to deal with it by yourself might work sometimes when nothing else can be done. But most often the criminal just wants your valuables not your or your families' life. Is it really worthwhile to risk a child's life (or happiness if just daddy goes down) in order to protect a freaking caddy? I doubt many would answer yes unless inebriated or suffering from chronic testosterone poisoning. Shootouts in parking lots don't stop gun crime, they just add to the butcher's bill. The police didn't catch the perp this time but you and your daughter survived. Maybe not a clear win in the battle against crime but not another tragic gun death either.

Where did the hoodlum get his gun? Most likely he bought it legally or via straw purchase at a local gun shop thanks to the efforts of the NRA to make gun purchasing easier than buying a used car.

 

[RoyJackson]

Crime sucks. Gun crime sucks worse.

Where did the hoodlum get his gun? Most likely he bought it legally or via straw purchase at a local gun shop thanks to the efforts of the NRA to make gun purchasing easier than buying a used car.

Both comments display your prejudice and ignorance...
If you had written "violent" crime rather then "gun" crime, you would have had a point...since the tool used is irrelevant.

As far as your NRA comment, it shows your ignorance. The NRA has strongly supported harsh penalties against straw purchasers for years.

 

[RadarTech]

Both comments display your prejudice and ignorance...
If you had written "violent" crime rather then "gun" crime, you would have had a point...since the tool used is irrelevent.

As far as your NRA comment, it shows your ignorance. The NRA has strongly supported harsh penalties against straw purchasers for years.

I buy guns often and personally think the background check issue is the way to go....
But when it is a phone call and not electronic we are being ridiculous!

I agree with Roy on this though.....

 

[panchohughes]

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Where did the hoodlum get his gun? Most likely he bought it legally or via straw purchase at a local gun shop thanks to the efforts of the NRA to make gun purchasing easier than buying a used car.

I was with you until your last sentence. So you blame the NRA for the car-jacking? Do you realize that when you buy a shotgun they still perform an instant background check?
I think the real danger that we need to proactively confront is kitchen knives. We need to ban them at the same time because they will become the weapon of choice. Or maybe we should at least regulate them, and restrict them. Except the evil CLEAVER! Cleavers must be banned outright. They have no place in a peaceful civilized society.
"landlord with a kitchen cleaver barged into a kindergarten in central China, hacked to death seven children, their teacher and her mother before taking his own life"
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/world/asia/13china.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Proposed ban on kitchen knives:
BBC NEWS | Health | Doctors' kitchen knives ban call

 

[TripleR]

I suppose if you had your gun in your pocket or concealed carry holster you could have drawn,aimed and fired to protect yourself and caddy. I'm sure all you self reliant superhero types can do that faster than the guy behind you with the 12 gauge pressed against your head could move his finger half an inch to render your daughter fatherless.

Crime sucks. Gun crime sucks worse. Playing superhero to deal with it by yourself might work sometimes when nothing else can be done. But most often the criminal just wants your valuables not your or your families' life. Is it really worthwhile to risk a child's life (or happiness if just daddy goes down) in order to protect a freaking caddy? I doubt many would answer yes unless inebriated or suffering from chronic testosterone poisoning. Shootouts in parking lots don't stop gun crime, they just add to the butcher's bill. The police didn't catch the perp this time but you and your daughter survived. Maybe not a clear win in the battle against crime but not another tragic gun death either.

Where did the hoodlum get his gun? Most likely he bought it legally or via straw purchase at a local gun shop thanks to the efforts of the NRA to make gun purchasing easier than buying a used car.

Come on you can make a point without using such silly terms. Such terms and tone only weaken your points and I agree with Roy on the NRA, they pushed for the passage of the NICS check system.

You also have no basis for your claim of where criminals obtain their firearms.

You can do better.

 

[RadarTech]

Come on you can make a point without using such silly terms. Such terms and tone only weaken your points and I agree with Roy on the NRA, they pushed for the passage of the NICS check system.

You also have no basis for your claim of where criminals obtain their firearms.

You can do better.

See the problem is those against guns mostly do not check their facts and seldom have anything but emotions to back up their stance....

This is where the lawmakers will stick it to us.....