Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns?

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   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #291  
Even as a strong gun control advocate, I don't have any objection to sportsmen owning these rifles so long as the rifles are stored at the shooting club or other similarly secure and restricted setting. Nancy Lanza showed us that home storage, at least with whatever security arrangement she used, is certainly inadequate.
That Nancy Lanza's home storage protections were inadequate is obvious, but as yet, we dont know what they were. As such, we cannot reach a meaningful conclusion on the safety of home gun storage based on that one incident.
On storing such weapons at a range, I see several problems:
1. Such places are generally unoccupied while closed and are generally isolated which could make them an excellent target for thieves
2. Unless combined with a gun shop, there are not generally guns stored at ranges while they are closed and as such, most are not setup to safely store guns.
3. What would prevent someone from taking their gun out "to take to a gunsmith" and not bringing it back?
4. The amount of liability insurance needed to cover the possible loss of all the guns in the event of a fire or an organized burglary would be cost prohibitive

Aaron Z
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #292  
OK stand corrected on the legalities but I figured it was a no brainer...thus my "responsibility and consequence" remark...I guess laws were required to make liability an easier case against the irresponsible...

Thanks for the heads up...!

For the record..
In the last year I have bought several guns... and EVERYTIME the dealer made me sign saying I got a copy of the law about storage... It was almost humorous when one dealer sat down a 5 question "test" on the storage law... you could refuse, but then he said I'll note that and another employee will witness my statement. If you fail it, I'll also record it... If you pass it, it will go into my file....

I laughed and took the law and looked over and got 100%....
He said most people just refuse...
WOW!! and no I won't name him....
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #293  
Everyone keeps posting what would possibly happen to the legal gun owner with a registered gun , Is every gun in your house legally registered to you and recorded with the feds ? have you never purchased a gun from a friend without paperwork ? Every gun owner has heard the stories of a friend with an automatic in his attic , and do you really think whatever new law they levy that every banned gun owner will just give them up ?
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #294  
Everyone keeps posting what would possibly happen to the legal gun owner with a registered gun , Is every gun in your house legally registered to you and recorded with the feds ? have you never purchased a gun from a friend without paperwork ? Every gun owner has heard the stories of a friend with an automatic in his attic , and do you really think whatever new law they levy that every banned gun owner will just give them up ?

This is a question I don't think I'd answer on a public forum... EVEN if I had a gun that was not registered..............
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #295  
Ok guys here is your chance to stop talking and to do something! I just took action on this issue and thought you might find it interesting too, go to,Legislative Action Center
DevilDog
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #296  
For the record..
In the last year I have bought several guns... and EVERYTIME the dealer made me sign saying I got a copy of the law about storage... It was almost humorous when one dealer sat down a 5 question "test" on the storage law... you could refuse, but then he said I'll note that and another employee will witness my statement. If you fail it, I'll also record it... If you pass it, it will go into my file....

I laughed and took the law and looked over and got 100%....
He said most people just refuse...
WOW!! and no I won't name him....

The last firearm I bought from a dealer (GA) was last year and did not hear boo about storage...
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #297  
The last firearm I bought from a dealer (GA) was last year and did not hear boo about storage...

the local gun shows require DEALERS to run a background check but private sellers merely glance at your divers license to verify over 21 , that's it ! walk out of the building past the cops toss it in your car and go home . be it a .22 or a semi auto 12 gauge street sweeper !
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #298  
the local gun shows require DEALERS to run a background check but private sellers merely glance at your divers license to verify over 21 , that's it ! walk out of the building past the cops toss it in your car and go home . be it a .22 or a semi auto 12 gauge street sweeper

That's one liberty that is bound to change...wonder what they will try to do about private (non show) sales...
It would not surprise me if they attempt to enact legislation that would require ANY sale of ANY firearm to go through a licensed dealer...

I have been to estate sales/auctions where lots of guns were sold with no paperwork other than the receipt of purchase etc...
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #299  
This is what's going to the Senate Floor Tomorrow.
DevilDog




Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)é*�uthor of the federal 殿ssault weapon and æ–—arge ammunition magazine ban of 1994-2004æ�ºas announced that on the first day of the new Congress憂anuary 3rd she will introduce a bill to which her 1994 ban will pale by comparison. On Dec. 17th, Feinstein said, çš„ have been working with my staff for over a year on this legislation and çš„t will be carefully focused. Indicating the depth of her research on the issue, she said on Dec. 21st that she had personally looked at pictures of guns in 1993, and again in 2012.

According to a Dec. 27th posting on Sen. Feinstein痴 website and a draft of the bill obtained by NRA-ILA, the new ban would, among other things, adopt new definitions of 殿ssault weapon that would affect a much larger variety of firearms, require current owners of such firearms to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act, and require forfeiture of the firearms upon the deaths of their current owners. Some of the changes in Feinstein痴 new bill are as follows:

Reduces, from two to one, the number of permitted external features on various firearms. The 1994 ban permitted various firearms to be manufactured only if they were assembled with no more than one feature listed in the law. Feinsteinç—´ new bill would prohibit the manufacture of the same firearms with even one of the features.

Adopts new lists of prohibited external features. For example, whereas the 1994 ban applied to a rifle or shotgun the è�Ÿistol grip of which è�Ÿrotrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, the new bill would drastically expand the definition to include any å*µrip . . . or any other characteristic that can function as a grip. Also, the new bill adds å��orward grip to the list of prohibiting features for rifles, defining it as 殿 grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip. Read literally and in conjunction with the reduction from two features to one, the new language would apply to every detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifle. At a minimum, it would, for example, ban all models of the AR-15, even those developed for compliance with Californiaç—´ highly restrictive ban.

Carries hyperbole further than the 1994 ban. Feinsteinç—´ 1994 ban listed å*µrenade launcher as one of the prohibiting features for rifles. Her 2013 bill carries goes even further into the ridiculous, by also listing 途ocket launcher. Such devices are restricted under the National Firearms Act and, obviously, are not standard components of the firearms Feinstein wants to ban. Perhaps a subsequent Feinstein bill will add 渡uclear bomb, è�Ÿarticle beam weapon, or something else equally far-fetched to the features list.

Expands the definition of 殿ssault weapon by including:

Three very popular rifles: The M1 Carbine (introduced in 1944 and for many years sold by the federal government to individuals involved in marksmanship competition), a model of the Ruger Mini-14, and most or all models of the SKS.

Any 都emiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for tubular-magazine .22s.

Any 都emiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches, any 都emiautomatic handgun with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, and any semi-automatic handgun that has a threaded barrel.

Requires owners of existing 殿ssault weapons to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act (NFA). The NFA imposes a $200 tax per firearm, and requires an owner to submit photographs and fingerprints to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), to inform the BATFE of the address where the firearm will be kept, and to obtain the BATFE痴 permission to transport the firearm across state lines.

Prohibits the transfer of 殿ssault weapons. Owners of other firearms, including those covered by the NFA, are permitted to sell them or pass them to heirs. However, under Feinstein痴 new bill, 殿ssault weapons would remain with their current owners until their deaths, at which point they would be forfeited to the government.

Prohibits the domestic manufacture and the importation of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The 1994 ban allowed the importation of such magazines that were manufactured before the ban took effect. Whereas the 1994 ban protected gun owners from errant prosecution by making the government prove when a magazine was made, the new ban includes no such protection. The new ban also requires firearm dealers to certify the date of manufacture of any >10-round magazine sold, a virtually impossible task, given that virtually no magazines are stamped with their date of manufacture.

Targets handguns in defiance of the Supreme Court. The Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects the right to have handguns for self-defense, in large part on the basis of the fact handguns are the type of firearm ç™»verwhelmingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose. Semi-automatic pistols, which are the most popular handguns today, are designed to use detachable magazines, and the magazines ç™»verwhelmingly chosen by Americans for self-defense are those that hold more than 10 rounds. Additionally, Feinsteinç—´ list of nearly 1,000 firearms exempted by name (see next paragraph) contains not a single handgun. Sen. Feinstein advocated banning handguns before being elected to the Senate, though she carried a handgun for her own personal protection.

Contains a larger piece of window dressing than the 1994 ban. Whereas the 1994 ban included a list of approximately 600 rifles and shotguns exempted from the ban by name, the new bill痴 list is increased to nearly 1,000 rifles and shotguns. Other than for the 11 detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles and one other semi-automatic rifle included in the list, however, the list appears to be pointless, because a separate provision of the bill exempts 殿ny firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action.

The Department of Justice study. On her website, Feinstein claims that a study for the DOJ found that the 1994 ban resulted in a 6.7 percent decrease in murders. To the contrary, this is what the study said: é„*t best, the assault weapons ban can have only a limited effect on total gun murders, because the banned weapons and magazines were never involved in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders. Our best estimate is that the ban contributed to a 6.7 percent decrease in total gun murders between 1994 and 1995. . . . However, with only one year of post-ban data, we cannot rule out the possibility that this decrease reflects chance year-to-year variation rather than a true effect of the ban. Nor can we rule out effects of other features of the 1994 Crime Act or a host of state and local initiatives that took place simultaneously.

é„*ssault weapon numbers and murder trends. From the imposition of Feinstein's 殿ssault weapon ban (Sept. 13, 1994) through the present, the number of 殿ssault weapons has risen dramatically. For example, the most common firearm that Feinstein considers an 殿ssault weapon is the AR-15 rifle, the manufacturing numbers of which can be gleaned from the BATFEç—´ firearm manufacturer reports, availablehere. From 1995 through 2011, the number of AR-15sé*�ll models of which Feinsteinç—´ new bill defines as 殿ssault weaponsè¿«rose by over 2.5 million. During the same period, the nation's murder rate fell 48 percent, to a 48-year low. According to the FBI, 8.5 times as many people are murdered with knives, blunt objects and bare hands, as with rifles of any type.


Traces: Feinstein makes several claims, premised on firearm traces, hoping to convince people that her 1994 ban reduced the (relatively infrequent) use of 殿ssault weapons in crime. However, traces do not indicate how often any type of gun is used in crime. As the Congressional Research Service and the BATFE have explained, not all firearms that are traced have been used in crime, and not all firearms used in crime are traced. Whether a trace occurs depends on whether a law enforcement agency requests that a trace be conducted. Given that existing 殿ssault weapons were exempted from the 1994 ban and new 殿ssault weapons continued to be made while the ban was in effect, any reduction in the percentage of traces accounted for by 殿ssault weapons during the ban, would be attributable to law enforcement agencies losing interest in tracing the firearms, or law enforcement agencies increasing their requests for traces on other types of firearms, as urged by the BATFE for more than a decade.


Call Your U.S. Senators and Representative: As noted, Feinstein intends to introduce her bill on January 3rd. President Obama has said that gun control will be a ç”°entral issue of his final term in office, and he has vowed to move quickly on it.

Contact your members of Congress at 202-224-3121 to urge them to oppose Sen. Feinsteinç—´ 2013 gun and magazine ban. Our elected representatives in Congress must hear from you if we are going to defeat this gun ban proposal. You can write your Representatives and Senators by using our Write Your Representatives tool here: NRA-ILA | Write Your Reps

Go here ,http://capwiz.com/nra/

Millions of Americans own so-called 殿ssault weapons and tens of millions own 斗arge magazines, for self-defense, target shooting, and hunting. For more information about thehistory of the 殿ssault weapon issue, please visit Home Page.
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #300  
IMO the "Feinstein" lunacy will never get further than it's introduction....it will never even come to a debate/vote in the senate let alone moving to the house...!
 
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