Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns?

[RadarTech]

The best way to answer this one on my last comment: Handguns as such, aren't being considered much under any new proposed gun ban, mostly rifles. If they're legal here, but taken across the border to Canada, then they're only illegal under Canadian laws, but I thought the reason for asking the original question was because your and Australian laws were so much better than ours. A need, either legal or illegal, will always create a market, in anything, anywhere at anytime. Basic business concept, taught at college level.
There will always be a market for illegal weapons, and criminals will always find that market, whether US, Canadian, British or Australian. Any new ban will only affect law abiding citizens in the United States. Since anyone selling a firearm to a Canadian is breaking the law anyway, any new laws won't stop them if the previous laws didn't. Seems to me that the best (and easiest) way to shut down the flow of weapons into Canada would be to do a better job of inspecting vehicles coming into your country. Lots of luck with that, as it hasn't worked out much for us in stemming drugs coming from Mexico and drugs are illegal on both sides of those borders!

Do you feel that there is adequate gun safety training available, in the area that you live ?
Gun safety training is available almost everywhere, most through the NRA and most of the time, free to anyone wanting to attend. Sometimes there is a small charge for anything used or given during the course.

Do you feel that there is an adequate participation rate in gun training (vs. the # of gun owners) ?
I can't speak for all states, but Kentucky requires anyone born after January 1, 1975 must complete a hunters safety course (which includes gun safety) before they can legally hunt. As far as I know, every state that allows concealed carry (which is all except Illinois) requires you attend a state certified course before you're issued a certificate. Once you have the certificate, then you have a pretty extensive background check before you're given your concealed carry permit.
I will admit that the average Joe, just wanting to buy a weapon, of any kind, probably doesn't bother with any type of training or certification, unless they plan on hunting or getting a concealed carry permit.

Does the average gun owner where you reside understand current gun legislation, in all the areas that they travel with their weapons ?
No, but the average gun owner usually errs on the side of caution, in that they do not carry any weapon across state lines. Anyone with a concealed carry permit has it drilled into him through the course that if they intend to carry outside the state, they should check for reciprocity, which means that I can carry in about 38 of the continental United States legally. It is also drilled into you the possible ramifications of being caught carrying in a state that does not have reciprocity with Kentucky.

So your statement that Canadians are affected by US gun laws is in error. Canadians are affected by illegal transactions, on our side by the seller and on your side by the buyer, but then again, these laws have and will only affect law abiding citizens, who already had no effect on the number of guns going across the border into Canada. If a criminal doesn't respect laws currently in effect, does anyone in their right mind think they're going to respect any new laws?

Sorry I got so long winded, but I hope I got my point across

Not true about the CWP.
GEORGIA AND ALABAMA require no training courses.
And I'm sure others are in the same line of thought.

 

[cisco]

Hmm, since I put in my "2 cents" last week this thread has surely grown. Whatever, there are basic differences of opinion, and some persuasive arguments by the informed on both sides of the issue plus the occasional nonsense which crops up on TBN when the topic of guns arises (the "government" is not confiscating guns in the US, Canada or Australia...WHERE do people come up with that stuff). I do concur with the obvious; countries are different and what suits the citizenry of Australia and Canada may not fit here, no problem. I would be the last to throw stones at either country, given they've far less debt per capita than the US and seem to have less fractious, at least at present, legislatures than we have had recently. Could be that their more homogeneous populations (principally caucasian, Christian) have something to do with it. Whatever, getting back to my query why do we (enthusiastic gun owners, me included, and the NRA) need to group the right to bear arms in the same category as the right to have 20 plus shot magazines (no way a hunter needs such, or for self defense unless you can't hit the broad side of a barn) or mandatory background checks for criminal/mental record before gun purchases at any venue, including a private sale. The 332 to 206 electoral college vote this past election, for a president whose first term was far less than a rousing success and with unemployment still high, should serve as a wake-up call to aging, caucasian (given posted pictures), suburban/rural males, that predominate on TBN, like me for instance. Yeah, I know, some feel that with no 100 round magazines pretty soon "the government" will want our 22s - nope, I don't buy it. And, I think that is about where the voting majority of the US (and certainly Canada and Australia) are, and given demographic trends.... Ain't good, and maybe not bad either, just is.

 

[daugen]

The government wants to disarm the population

Totally? Do you really believe that? I honestly don't.
Seems to be just a matter of degree.
No you can't have nuclear weapons in suburbia. Nor a barrel or two of phosgene gas.
Nor an armed tank. Not even a Hummer with a twin 50 cal up top.
Does that mean you've been disarmed?

Isn't this just a matter of degree?

And since there aren't many websites or databases today that can't be hacked with some ease, do we really want a database of
registered guns out there? Visions of annual gun registration fees boggle the mind. Well, it worked with our cars, right? They don't want our names and addresses
to send us Christmas cards...

I installed my new gun locks today and feel better about it. And if there are any left out there, with all the hoarding going on, perhaps I'll pick up a fresh box of shotgun shells.

I know this upsets some but I really don't think we are being disarmed. Pretty hard to disarm 450 million weapons.
Limited yes. I have no problems with reasonable limitations. It's called the greater good.
Just like Tier 4 is for the greater good, allegedly.

In LA recently two shoulder fired missiles were returned on the "don't ask, don't tell" day where guns could be turned in.
I bet that made frequent fliers in California feel safer. Lot of crazy stuff out there.
We need to draw that line carefully, remembering that at least half this country supports firmer gun control, whatever that means.
That half of the country can't be ignored and it shouldn't be, any more than ignoring the rights of gun owners who favor less controls.

 

[IslandTractor]

Hmm, since I put in my "2 cents" last week this thread has surely grown. Whatever, there are basic differences of opinion, and some persuasive arguments by the informed on both sides of the issue plus the occasional nonsense which crops up on TBN when the topic of guns arises (the "government" is not confiscating guns in the US, Canada or Australia...WHERE do people come up with that stuff). I do concur with the obvious; countries are different and what suits the citizenry of Australia and Canada may not fit here, no problem. I would be the last to throw stones at either country, given they've far less debt per capita than the US and seem to have less fractious, at least at present, legislatures than we have had recently. Could be that their more homogeneous populations (principally caucasian, Christian) have something to do with it. Whatever, getting back to my query why do we (enthusiastic gun owners, me included, and the NRA) need to group the right to bear arms in the same category as the right to have 20 plus shot magazines (no way a hunter needs such, or for self defense unless you can't hit the broad side of a barn) or mandatory background checks for criminal/mental record before gun purchases at any venue, including a private sale. The 332 to 206 electoral college vote this past election, for a president whose first term was far less than a rousing success and with unemployment still high, should serve as a wake-up call to aging, caucasian (given posted pictures), suburban/rural males, that predominate on TBN, like me for instance. Yeah, I know, some feel that with no 100 round magazines pretty soon "the government" will want our 22s - nope, I don't buy it. And, I think that is about where the voting majority of the US (and certainly Canada and Australia) are, and given demographic trends.... Ain't good, and maybe not bad either, just is.

Good and balanced summary.

 

[k0ua]

In LA recently two shoulder fired missiles were returned on the "don't ask, don't tell" day where guns could be turned in.

Sorry, have to do it..Wrong..Not shoulder fired missles.. just two empty AT4 tubes with no internals at all.. Not illegal, not harmful any any way, just junk.. Thrown away as all single use missile tubes are. No more harmful than a piece of PVC pipe. Again sorry but cannot let statements like that stand..No personal attack

James K0UA

 

[3930dave]

Does Canada have a large enough Military, so as to be able to defend themselves from any foreign takeover attempt without the help of other countries? Ken Sweet

ANY (and every) type/form/size of attack ?

Well, I'm not a Mil Analyst, but my opinion is No.

IMO, very few countries have the ability to stand totally on their own, under every scenario.

Not really sure what this Military issue has to do with this thread, as most foreign takeovers today are being done with cash, not military weapons. (I'm being serious when I say that, not sarcastic).

Rgds, D.

 

[daugen]

In LA recently two shoulder fired missiles were returned on the "don't ask, don't tell" day where guns could be turned in.

Sorry, have to do it..Wrong..Not shoulder fired missles.. just two empty AT4 tubes with no internals at all.. Not illegal, not harmful any any way, just junk.. Thrown away as all single use missile tubes are. No more harmful than a piece of PVC pipe. Again sorry but cannot let statements like that stand..No personal attack

James K0UA

ok, I misunderstood multiple broadcasts, likely because they weren't accurate either.
Appreciate the correction. Drew

AOL On - Rocket Launchers Returned at LA Gun Buyback

 

[RadarTech]

The government wants to disarm the population


In LA recently two shoulder fired missiles were returned on the "don't ask, don't tell" day where guns could be turned in.
I bet that made frequent fliers in California feel safer. Lot of crazy stuff out there.
We need to draw that line carefully, remembering that at least half this country supports firmer gun control, whatever that means.
That half of the country can't be ignored and it shouldn't be, any more than ignoring the rights of gun owners who favor less controls.

Those shoulder fired missiles were AT-4 anti tank trainers.. They fire a single .45 pistol cartridge...
Not shoulder fired missiles.....

They showed pictures of them and they looked easily demilled...

 

[/pine]

Good and balanced summary.

let me start by saying this is not a "sour grapes" opinion...it's reality

What make the opinion unbalanced is the assumptions on the demographics and the "voting majority" etc...

Considering only about 75%(+/- depending on the source) of registered (US) voters participated in the 2012 general election...AND the over the top efforts of the incumbent support groups (and the perks etc.. etc. they supplied/furnished) i.e., third world tactics (IMO)... citing the election is off the wall...

IMO...the 2012 voter turnout does not represent the opinions of the majority of Americans...

Again, no sour grapes...I accept the outcome no quarrels...the main reason is I believe in the old saying "give a person (POTUS included) they will hang themselves"
IMO I think that that the 25%+/- of the electorate that did not participate was because enough rope had already been extended...

http://elections.gmu.edu/Turnout_2012G.html

And BTW, IMO anyone that even considers the cited adage as being racist is racist

 

[RadarTech]

In LA recently two shoulder fired missiles were returned on the "don't ask, don't tell" day where guns could be turned in.

Sorry, have to do it..Wrong..Not shoulder fired missles.. just two empty AT4 tubes with no internals at all.. Not illegal, not harmful any any way, just junk.. Thrown away as all single use missile tubes are. No more harmful than a piece of PVC pipe. Again sorry but cannot let statements like that stand..No personal attack

James K0UA

Oops... Just saw you debunked it too...