Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns?

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   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #411  
the only people who would even care about fines are "again" the law abiding public ,Lunatics /criminals /potential mass murderers are really not concerned about a fine , The availability in the gray market makes it too easy to find what you want if you really want it ,months ago with the shootings in Colorado even here there was a major run on ammunition and guns , now it's happening again , There will always be a way for them to get guns / bullets if they have the cash ! new laws or not !

It's easier for them to restrict ammo sales than deal with the impending new gun laws when the average guy (with no reloading experience ) can't buy shells all he has is a paper weight ! Ammo will skyrocket in price I went to get some .44 mag shells and had to drive 45 miles and pay over $40.00 a box the local shops and stores were out !
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #412  
(In a Katy Couric voice) "And how does that make you feel!" :)

a bit dumb. I try not to guess, but I guess I read too fast.
But I'll get over it. :)

I will however try to get better in touch with my inner self, thank you Katy, which will help me pick out the right
shotgun shells for my 12 gauge... and geez not so grumpy, they better not cost forty bucks.

Now....back to the topic. Should Wallabees be armed with all those returned weapons? Should we allow kangaroos to sharpen their nails into deadly weapons?
Gads, we'll have to go trim them all. And can a .22 stop a kangaroo with mad kangaroo disease?

Australians, and Canadians are true friends of ours. Let's not forget we could possibly learn something from our friends.
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #413  
Hmm, since I put in my "2 cents" last week this thread has surely grown. Whatever, there are basic differences of opinion, and some persuasive arguments by the informed on both sides of the issue plus the occasional nonsense which crops up on TBN when the topic of guns arises (the "government" is not confiscating guns in the US, Canada or Australia...WHERE do people come up with that stuff). I do concur with the obvious; countries are different and what suits the citizenry of Australia and Canada may not fit here, no problem. I would be the last to throw stones at either country, given they've far less debt per capita than the US and seem to have less fractious, at least at present, legislatures than we have had recently. Could be that their more homogeneous populations (principally caucasian, Christian) have something to do with it. Whatever, getting back to my query why do we (enthusiastic gun owners, me included, and the NRA) need to group the right to bear arms in the same category as the right to have 20 plus shot magazines (no way a hunter needs such, or for self defense unless you can't hit the broad side of a barn) or mandatory background checks for criminal/mental record before gun purchases at any venue, including a private sale. The 332 to 206 electoral college vote this past election, for a president whose first term was far less than a rousing success and with unemployment still high, should serve as a wake-up call to aging, caucasian (given posted pictures), suburban/rural males, that predominate on TBN, like me for instance. Yeah, I know, some feel that with no 100 round magazines pretty soon "the government" will want our 22s - nope, I don't buy it. And, I think that is about where the voting majority of the US (and certainly Canada and Australia) are, and given demographic trends.... Ain't good, and maybe not bad either, just is.

Good explanation of your view. It looks like Canada is probably more ethnically diverse than the US. Australia is much less from this site: Ethnic groups statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster

Its an interesting site that compares ethnic diversity. I learned something again. I also agree with your view.

Loren
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #414  
Daugen, the "and how does that make you feel" comment was more a statement on Katie Couric than anything.. It was just one of the things about her that always irked me. As for the 12 guage, just some nice 00 buckshot should fix you up. Man I hope they arent $40 yet...The Ammo prices are spiraling up and up with all the panic buying.

James K0UA
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #415  
Does Canada have a large enough Military, so as to be able to defend themselves from any foreign takeover attempt without the help of other countries? Ken Sweet

Canada has a very limited military when compared to the US but this can be said of any country on earth. The US spends more each year than the next 13 of the worlds countries combined.

U.S. Defense Spending Compared to Other Countries | pgpf.org

Security comes from alliances, treating other countries in fair ways and policies that encourage internal security.

Loren
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #416  
Australia white 92%, Asian 7%, aboriginal and other 1%

It's hard to say anything here without someone being offended by racial pecking orders,
but I find it most interesting that the Australians really are homogeneous and that their number two
racial group is Asian. And not much else other than the original inhabitants of the land, who were better able to survive the onslaught of the
"racially superior" invaders much better than our Native Americans. Their history is different. Ours has been almost constant conflict, mostly because
we have stepped up to the international bullies time and time again. And sadly have been a bully ourselves at times.

But then the history of Europe is also one of constant conflict, often fueled by religion.
And I believe the Crusades are still going on, just in a modern sense.
Too bad Allah and Jesus weren't close buddies. Instead they were competitors. And so far unfriendly ones.

I think Canada would be more similar to the US situation than Australia. And interestingly Canada has a strong Asian influence on its Western shore.
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #417  
There is no gunshow loophole, that is some media created thing so that those who are ill informed will get against the ones who like guns. I have been to many gunshows and my observation is that no more than 10% of sellers are private meaning that 90% of those have to do background checks. The other is no different than buying a gun outta the paper or where ever.



Also the US population is almost 3x that amount.

Concerning gun show private sales:
Fox Regular Baselessly Claims That Closing The Gun Show Loophole Would Ban Private Sale Of Firearms | Blog | Media Matters for America

In the absence of a universal background check requirement, private sellers at gun shows have proven to be a source of weapons trafficked to Mexican drug cartels. According to a 2009 report from the Government Accountability Office, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms singled out private sellers at gun shows as a source of guns used by drug cartels:


In addition to these firearms that are successfully traced back to a retail dealer, some ATF officials told us, based on information from their operations and investigations, many seized guns also come from private sales at gun shows, though it is impossible to know this exact number due to the lack of records kept for such purchases.

Though more recent figures are unavailable, a 1997 study from the Department of Justice found that private gun sales outside of stores also make up an estimated 40 percent of all firearm sales.

Moreover, Obenshain is at odds with the overwhelming majority of NRA members and gun owners who support universal background checks. A poll conducted by Mayors Against Illegal Guns in July found that 74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support "requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun."

mayor-michael-bloomberg-says-40-percent-guns-are-s

Our ruling

Mayor Bloomberg said 40 percent of gun sales take place through gun shows or the Internet.

The best information on the informal gun market is based on a survey and is about 15 years old. Current regulations don稚 allow direct tallies of sales of this sort. An undercover investigation found a great deal of internet activity, but it was sponsored by a mayor who seeks greater regulation. Groups opposed to greater regulation were asked to rebut the mayor痴 assertion and did not respond.
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It seems the more important question is whether a background check should be required for all sales of certain weapons should be required. Whether at gun show or not has little to do with the challenge of keeping weapons out of the hands of unstable individuals.

Also just to clarify the US population is over 300 million and Australia is under 23 million.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL

Loren
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #418  
It's easier for them to restrict ammo sales than deal with the impending new gun laws when the average guy (with no reloading experience ) can't buy shells all he has is a paper weight ! Ammo will skyrocket in price I went to get some .44 mag shells and had to drive 45 miles and pay over $40.00 a box the local shops and stores were out !

The reason why i started reloading!! Just a few weeks ago!
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #419  
Very scary!!!

Also your description rules out my 22s one of my deer rifles and many guys shotguns!! Thought austrailia going to be a place to run when and if our country collapses, but I may have rethink this?

With your attitude, please reconsider now and stay away!!

Weedpharma
 
   / Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns? #420  
Concerning gun show private sales:
Fox Regular Baselessly Claims That Closing The Gun Show Loophole Would Ban Private Sale Of Firearms | Blog | Media Matters for America

In the absence of a universal background check requirement, private sellers at gun shows have proven to be a source of weapons trafficked to Mexican drug cartels. According to a 2009 report from the Government Accountability Office, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms singled out private sellers at gun shows as a source of guns used by drug cartels:

Loren

And so has our our Federal government, the president ATF and Eric Holder. Heard of Fast and furious? Just the week before christmas a Mesican beauty queen was killed by a US bought gun in Fast and Furious program. She was used as a human shield and they shot her. Did this make national news...barely?

I see what your saying, is it right no not really, but its following current law. Thats the problem criminals dont come into a gun show with a parole officer next to them or a ski mask on. If they seem close to normal they will buy a gun.

But If they do universal checks on all sales and require legally a FFL dealer to do a transfer they will just use straw buyers like they do now anyway?? This is not the solution, criminals will always have guns!! After all have you ever seen those "locked up" shows on Nat geo and the like about prison. There constantly finding guns and Drugs in the criminals possetion, cells or in the prison itself!! Both of which are illegal period for them as well in the outside world yet alone having them in prison!!
 
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