legal tow?

[Duffster]

Load your trailer and truck up to 35k and proceed to the nearest chicken house (dot weigh station) with your class d and let us know how it goes.....

Load is irrelevant here.

Thanks for pointing out your facts. If you ever come to NY with your scenario truck/ trailer combo don't call me to bail you out of jail.
This State only cares about the last line where the GCWR of both must be under 26k.

That is just not the case

Your reasoning here is flawed.

You keep claiming this 26k limit on a class D but yet our 36k example is not a class A, nor a class B, nor a class C. The 26k GCWR limit only applies when the trailer is over 10k. Not sure how you can read the doc over and over yet skip over that part.

Being over 26k alone doesn't make it a class A. You know this seeing how you knew you could tow a trailer with your class B truck. If you applied your fictitious reasoning to that combo it would have required a class A too. (It's over 26k right?).

Reading is fundamental here folks. You can't fragment the sentence and then pretend that it says it all.

Maybe this will help you out.

http://www.dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv500c.pdf

 

[aczlan]

Load is irrelevant here.
That is just not the case
Your reasoning here is flawed.
You keep claiming this 26k limit on a class D but yet our 36k example is not a class A, nor a class B, nor a class C. The 26k GCWR limit only applies when the trailer is over 10k. Not sure how you can read the doc over and over yet skip over that part.
Being over 26k alone doesn't make it a class A. You know this seeing how you knew you could tow a trailer with your class B truck. If you applied your fictitious reasoning to that combo it would have required a class A too. (It's over 26k right?).
Reading is fundamental here folks. You can't fragment the sentence and then pretend that it says it all.
Maybe this will help you out.
http://www.dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv500c.pdf

From your link in the limits for class D section:

• GVWR of 26,000 or less
• May tow a vehicle with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less; or may tow a vehicle of more than 10,000 lbs. providing the GCWR is not over 26,000 lbs.
• Limited use automobiles
• Class B and/or Class C limited use motorcycles
• Recreational vehicles with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less.

The relevant section of the law:

4. Commercial motor vehicle. (a) A motor vehicle or combination of
vehicles designed or used to transport passengers or property:
(i) which has a GVWR of more than twenty-six thousand pounds; or
(ii) which has a GCWR of more than twenty-six thousand pounds, including any towed unit with a GVWR of more than ten thousand pounds;

Edit, see also: https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/osss/repository/cdl101.pdf

Aaron Z

 

[Duffster]

From your link in the limits for class D section:

• GVWR of 26,000 or less
• May tow a vehicle with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less; or may tow a vehicle of more than 10,000 lbs. providing the GCWR is not over 26,000 lbs.
• Limited use automobiles
• Class B and/or Class C limited use motorcycles
• Recreational vehicles with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less.

The relevant section of the law:


Edit, see also: https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/osss/repository/cdl101.pdf

Aaron Z

Thank You.

 

[George2615]

Load is irrelevant here.



That is just not the case

Your reasoning here is flawed.

You keep claiming this 26k limit on a class D but yet our 36k example is not a class A, nor a class B, nor a class C. The 26k GCWR limit only applies when the trailer is over 10k. Not sure how you can read the doc over and over yet skip over that part.

Being over 26k alone doesn't make it a class A. You know this seeing how you knew you could tow a trailer with your class B truck. If you applied your fictitious reasoning to that combo it would have required a class A too. (It's over 26k right?).

Reading is fundamental here folks. You can't fragment the sentence and then pretend that it says it all.

Maybe this will help you out.

http://www.dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv500c.pdf

This is my final statement so after this I'm done with this thread. I'm glad you posted the mv500c. I have the required license and endorsements I need and know what I can and cannot tow.
As I and others have said, Load up your 26k truck and either over or under 10k trailer come to NY with your Class D, and pull into a weigh station. Hope your wallet is full of money when your GCWR is over 26k.
That "PROVIDING THE GCWR IS UNDER 26K" rule applies every license except a class A and I don't care how you read it. If you think you are right then all of the Police, DMV / DOT inspectors and court judges here must be wrong and illegally fining class D operators as well as class B and C operators. I once thought the same as you. I was driving a 23k truck towing an under 10k trailer (perfectly legal right). I had to pull into a weigh station and my GCWR on the scales (truck and trailer) was just over 29k. I thought I was legal but the inspectors told me otherwise. I was ticketed for being overweight being 3k over the 26k limit for my license. I didn't have a class A. They said they could have written me up for driving out of class as well but didn't. My lawyer and I fought the law in court and lost.
Read the description for the class A operator and you'll see that is the only license where you can drive vehicles that tow trailers where the combined weight (GCWR) is over 26k. All other licenses are limited to being under 26k combined weight.
Thanks for your comments.

 

[Morning Wood]

Edit.

 

[Duffster]

I have the required license and endorsements I need and know what I can and cannot tow.

I would hope you do but your statements here leave us to question that.

That "PROVIDING THE GCWR IS UNDER 26K" rule applies every license except a class A and I don't care how you read it.

That is flat out incorrect. It even contradicts what you have previously stated here:

Having a CDL class B allows the truck to be over 26,000 but limits a trailer towed behind it to 10K.

That "PROVIDING THE GCWR IS UNDER 26K" rule applies every license except a class A and I don't care how you read it.

"That" only applies when the trailer is over 10k GVWR. You can read it however you want but that is the fact.

Read the description for the class A operator and you'll see that is the only license where you can drive vehicles that tow trailers where the combined weight (GCWR) is over 26k.

Not true. It's foolish to say that. Being over 26k is only half of what it takes to be a class A. The other half is having the trailer be over 10k. It's not either or but BOTH.

All other licenses are limited to being under 26k combined weight.

Could you show how NY requirements differ form the feds?

Everthying you state here flies in the face of the FACTS posted here in this thread.

 

[radioman]

I own a 2001 f350 diesel. I am unsure of the max goose neck weight i can pull.

Ive got a 32 pj trailer with tandum duals tagged for 21k but has 12,000 lbs axles.

If i put 21k on the trailer am i legal?

I have a cdl.

Sounds like a trick question here. It doesnt matter if you have CDL. Doesnt matter what f350 GN rating is. It doesnt matter where you stand with 26k magic number. What matters is the AVAILABLE weight left you have on the trailer. You say you have 12k axles=26k rating total minus weight of a pj gooseneck which is roughly basic options 7300lbs minus your trailer total rating of 26k. What is the actual trailer weight empty when you pull in the scales?
This comes out to roughly 18600 lbs of payload to put on the trailer. If you put all of load 21k worth on the trailer - then NO you are NOT legal. You haven't even added the weight of tie downs equipment on the trailer, packaging, covers if any,etc.

 

[Duffster]

Sounds like a trick question here. It doesnt matter if you have CDL. Doesnt matter what f350 GN rating is. It doesnt matter where you stand with 26k magic number. What matters is the AVAILABLE weight left you have on the trailer. You say you have 12k axles=26k rating total minus weight of a pj gooseneck which is roughly basic options 7300lbs minus your trailer total rating of 26k. What is the actual trailer weight empty when you pull in the scales?
This comes out to roughly 18600 lbs of payload to put on the trailer. If you put all of load 21k worth on the trailer - then NO you are NOT legal. You haven't even added the weight of tie downs equipment on the trailer, packaging, covers if any,etc.

And without knowing his GVWR it's all moot.

 

[radioman]

And without knowing his GVWR it's all moot.

With all due respect, like I said in the post- pretend the truck IS withing limit for a moment. he is still not legal due to trailer rating.

 

[Duffster]

With all due respect, like I said in the post- pretend the truck IS withing limit for a moment. he is still not legal due to trailer rating.

Sorry. He did state the GVWR of the trailer.

He could squeak it on but it'll be fuzzy.