Property line on19.5 acres

[Timm250]

There is 19.5 acres that joins my other property that is for sale. My property already joins this property on 3 sides. The plan is to buy this & fence the side that doesn't join my current land for cattle. The one side has a section that is 1700 ft long then turns at an angle & goes another 1000 ft. The property has been surveyed about 2 years ago & there are pins marking the corners. Is there an easy way to connect the corners without a surveyor so that I can put a fence on the property line? The land is rolling and the line I need to layout goes through the woods & thick brush. I have talked with a surveyor & he wants & $600 to layout the line.

 

[Turbys_1700]

I may be ignorant of laws in KY but I know that in all instances of my family either buying or selling property involved recent surveys of it to establish accurate boundaries...
I would think that this is the same in your situation...

 

[blueriver]

I'd think with the marker pins in place drive a steel post in at the marker ... may have to add something to it to get it in the air to have a line of site. Drop a section of pipe over the t-post with bright orange paint on it?? The run your line from marker to marker.

 

[Timm250]

I may be ignorant of laws in KY but I know that in all instances of my family either buying or selling property involved recent surveys of it to establish accurate boundaries...
I would think that this is the same in your situation...

There is a recent survey but only the corners are marked not the entire line. This 19.5 acres is 1/4 of a farm that was divided off as a part of an estate settlement.

 

[dave1949]

I'd think with the marker pins in place drive a steel post in at the marker ... may have to add something to it to get it in the air to have a line of site. Drop a section of pipe over the t-post with bright orange paint on it?? The run your line from marker to marker.

A 20' section of 2" schd. 40 pvc slid over a t-post would stick up in the air, maybe enough to get a line of sight from one pin to the other. That would allow you to brush out the line and put some flags on trees that are on the line.

But, if you can't see from pin to pin, then it may be cheaper in the long run to pay the surveyor.

 

[radioman]

have you googled map the land in question for clues where you can add more stakes in between? It may not be accurate, but it should get you close enough.

 

[shortwave]

Maybe your county GIS maps can help. In my county, it's possible to do this online. There is a system which shows all of the parcels overlayed on a searchable map. You can zoom in and see exactly where the property line is.

 

[Paddy]

Timm250,

Here is a trick I did. If you can do this with your hills it is really close. All you need is flash lights and cell phones and two helpers. In the dark, Have helper one stand at first marked pin. You go to the other marked pin. Have helper one turn on their flash light. Call helper two at some mid point turn on their light. Direct them left or right until you and the two lights are in line. Have helper two Place your first T-post. Keep going until you can clearly see all the posts.

When you put your fence in, move in from your line one foot for error

Patrick T

 

[Al 2]

Since the bush is thick and hilly, your only real option for a true location is to hire the surveyor. $ 600 seems like a deal. Make sure his price includes setting intervisible stakes. These can just be wood stakes. Without a survey you may get the fence on your neighbours property and if he challenges the location, you may have to get it surveyed anyway. Just make it a condition of sale that the seller pays for the survey or make an offer of $600 less than what you were going to pay. Do not rely on any GIS overlays. They can be off large amounts.
Al

 

[dmccarty]

If the fence was just TPosts I might try to find the line myself. On the other hand, if the fence was more permanent I would pay the surveyor to put in pipes between the corners. I have one property line that is around the same size you are talking about and it has multiple pipes in the ground along the line. However the line is in the woods and hilly with heavy brush. Even with relatively short distances between the pipes I still have not connected the markers along the line because of the think brush. We have other lines 700-800 in length where we have had the same problem because of the woods and heavy brush and we are just trying to cut a line of sight between the two corners not put up a fence.

At some point I will have to pay the surveyor...

Later,
Dan

 

[KYDan]

Check with your county property valuation administrator, he/she may have an aerial photo of the parcel with the boundary lines overlaid. If not, then try the elevated post method with markers and use a good compass (military type) and get the heading. The calls on the deed of the property should have the heading from point to point as well, so if you can't see the posts you can still get an accurate bearing, and check with the owner of the adjacent property, and work with him/her on determining the line. There is a statute in Kentucky that can require the landholder of the adjacent property to pay half the cost of the fence. You can usually get the adjacent owner to sign off with your line calls if you pay for all of the fence construction with the stipulation that you will pay for the entire fence. Good luck.

 

[ustmd]

$600 for a fence line survey is a great deal. Most surveyors here will not get out of bed for less than $1000. My neighbor just paid $1400 for a fence survey along 1 side of a 10 acre plot.

 

[Gunny]

Check with your county property valuation administrator, he/she may have an aerial photo of the parcel with the boundary lines overlaid. If not, then try the elevated post method with markers and use a good compass (military type) and get the heading. The calls on the deed of the property should have the heading from point to point as well, so if you can't see the posts you can still get an accurate bearing, and check with the owner of the adjacent property, and work with him/her on determining the line. There is a statute in Kentucky that can require the landholder of the adjacent property to pay half the cost of the fence. You can usually get the adjacent owner to sign off with your line calls if you pay for all of the fence construction with the stipulation that you will pay for the entire fence. Good luck.

That one has been off the books for some time now, but a lot of people still bring it up every now and then. If your neighbor wants to put a fence in, you can agree to pay half, or do half, but if you don't have any plans on running livestock ever on the property, you can decline. If he decides to put the fence on the line anyway, you can go ahead and run livestock. If he backs it up a foot on his side, then you can't run livestock unless you put a new fence up a foot on your side of the line.

I've been there, done that. Actually had a guy try to sue me because I refused to pay for half of the fencing because he wanted to raise one beef for slaughter. County Attorney refused to take the case.

 

[KYDan]

If you are a viable/verifiable farming operation you can proceed with it. The county attorney has nothing to do with it, it is not a criminal case, but rather a civil one. The keys are viable and verifiable.

 

[MacLawn]

Tim, I'd get this done right from the start! I've read that some places in Kentucky still have boundary/ownership problems that started when Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton first began settling there. No fault of theirs, it's just the way things happened sometimes way back then.

Anyway, if I could afford 19 acres, I could sure afford to have it properly surveyed and make CERTAIN that I really owned the amount of land along the lines that I paid for.

 

[Dr_Zinj]

If you can find the corners, try using a laser pointer to run a line of sight between them.

 

[Western]

I'm with trying to get my own line with the elevated post, laser ect tra. If you dont feel comfortable with your line, you dont have to build the fence without getting a surveyor. From what I have been told by several surveyors, is it isn't 100% accurate anyway, could be a foot off here and there. I know they can use GPS, but not in the woods for clear line of sight to the sky. (what my last surveyor told me)

In any case, I see some brush cutt'n being done!

 

[Timm250]

If you can find the corners, try using a laser pointer to run a line of sight between them.

If you could see between the points that would work but the problem is the line starts on a field, goes into the woods, back into a field, then to the woods again. The wods are really thick because it was logged about 5 years ago.

 

[IkeRoberts]

I use a GPS to hike all the time. Try this--
Get the coordinates at your two corners with a handheld GPS device. Open Google Earth on your computer. Start at one corner, mark it. Go to the other corner, mark it. Draw a straight line between the two. Now anywhere on that line, google earth with give you the coordinates. Put your mouse pointer on 4 or 5 spots along the straight line. Write down all your coordinates. Now go out and mark each one on the line untill you have enough points to be able to see your line all the way from corner to corner.

 

[milkman636]

Tim, I'd get this done right from the start! I've read that some places in Kentucky still have boundary/ownership problems that started when Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton first began settling there. No fault of theirs, it's just the way things happened sometimes way back then.

Anyway, if I could afford 19 acres, I could sure afford to have it properly surveyed and make CERTAIN that I really owned the amount of land along the lines that I paid for.

X2, another vote for getting right the first time. Avoiding future boundary disputes with the new neighbors might be priceless.