Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was.

[Diamondpilot]

The Northstar engines didn't use cylinder deactivation.

No, but they use oil. I know of 3 total and all use oil.

Chris

 

[3930dave]

Another coworker mine has a BMW with 200,000 on it. He has had to replace both the fuel pump and intake gasket recently. I was very impressed with the service access on that car. There is an access hatch under the back seat that allowed him to change the fuel pump without dropping the tank. The intake manifold also unbolted very easily without having to remove a ton of other stuff. Both jobs would be terribly more complicated on my two Fords.

Roger that. Even a die-hard blue oval fan would have trouble defending that 3.0L in the Escape (certain years anyway....).

Pull the Intake, and EGR to change the rear plugs !

In small cars today, take a close look at the history of the transmissions if you are choosing automatic. Older Hyundai's had problems, and to some extent Honda too. If it is bad enough of a design, you basically have no used transmissions available in the market - maybe not a concern, depending how long you hang onto a vehicle.

Rgds, D.

 

[Turbys_1700]

No, but they use oil. I know of 3 total and all use oil.

Chris

You got that right...
I owned a 96 Seville STS that I squeezed 225K miles out of...
When I bought it used @ 70K miles or so it used a quart every 2K miles...
When I got rid of it @ 225K miles it was using a quart every 1200 miles...
Overall it was pretty reliable until it hit the 170K mile mark...
I was putting in around 1K in repairs every year or so and this was at a local shop whose rates were substantially less than a dealership...
At 225K I was getting a puff of white smoke on start up and my mechanic told me that the #2 cylinder was getting a little water...
Time to trade..
But I got the good out of it...
Performance was excellent but that premium fuel was a killer...

 

[Peacock]

No, but they use oil. I know of 3 total and all use oil.

Chris

Yep. Northstar engines were and are junk.

 

[Peacock]

Roger that. Even a die-hard blue oval fan would have trouble defending that 3.0L in the Escape (certain years anyway....).

Pull the Intake, and EGR to change the rear plugs !

In small cars today, take a close look at the history of the transmissions if you are choosing automatic. Older Hyundai's had problems, and to some extent Honda too. If it is bad enough of a design, you basically have no used transmissions available in the market - maybe not a concern, depending how long you hang onto a vehicle.

Rgds, D.

Ford has a lot of engines that are hard to defend over the years.

 

[Diamondpilot]

The Northstar engines didn't use cylinder deactivation.

No, but they use oil. I know of 3 total and all use oil.

Chris

 

[3930dave]

Ford has a lot of engines that are hard to defend over the years.

I'm not a Ford hater, but that 3.0L application definitely had me scratching my head.

Rgds, D.

 

[CHDinCT]

The resson it uses oil is the stupid variable cylinder deal. GM battles this problem also. I fly a lead man from Ford all the time. I asked him a few years back why they did not do variable displacement? He said they did not want to touch it due to issues with the system, oil consumption being the main issue.

Chris

Yeah, I think I read about the GM oil consumption issues here a while ago and thought maybe the oil consumption issue is common to variable displacement engines.

No.

Honda VCM engines don't use oil at any different of a rate than the non-VCM engines. It is likely due to a PCV valve sticking or it just doesn't like the brand of oil being used.

That reminds me I changed oil brands and tried a little heavier oil one oil change - I think 10W-30 vs the spec'd 5W-20 - didn't make any difference so I went back to 5W-20. If it's a stuck PVC valve, the dealer sure hasn't figured it out.

 

[Peacock]

Yeah, I think I read about the GM oil consumption issues here a while ago and thought maybe the oil consumption issue is common to variable displacement engines.



That reminds me I changed oil brands and tried a little heavier oil one oil change - I think 10W-30 vs the spec'd 5W-20 - didn't make any difference so I went back to 5W-20. If it's a stuck PVC valve, the dealer sure hasn't figured it out.

Try a different brand of 5w20. Maybe Mobile 1 or Quaker State.

Some of the '08-12 K24 Accords use some oil when you run long oil change intervals, but the J35 V6 cars rarely use oil at all.

 

[DABSGT]

No, but they use oil. I know of 3 total and all use oil.

Chris

Not all I had a caddy with the northward and didn't have the problem. But I do know that they were known for the problem.

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