Neighbor called the Law on me for shooting

   / Neighbor called the Law on me for shooting #111  
When you get your saw, wear ear protection while you make new memories. :laughing:

:laughing: Keep me from wanting to do anything stupid involving work for memories! :)

I actually like cutting wood now, since I don't NEED it. We burned wood when I was younger, but that stopped when I was 16 and my parents remodeled the house and took out the wood furnace. So, I've never used a chainsaw before, so it will be a learning experience for me. Figure I'm gonna get me a pair of chaps too. My dad never used the safety equipment when I was a kid, but since I'm 36 never used a chainsaw before, I figured I better get all the extra safety gear in hopes I don't need to test them! :)
 
   / Neighbor called the Law on me for shooting #112  
If there is a state where a cop can walk onto YOUR property and demand an ID from you, and take you to jail when you refuse.......you need to find another state. But, wait a minute..... with Obama as the dictator the FEDS make all the laws and states have no powers.

Well, that took a turn for the worse. I hate it when threads turn political. I don't disagree with you, but I prefer to keep politics out of good conversations because things always good to he|| in a hurry after that.
 
   / Neighbor called the Law on me for shooting #113  
You are making my point. Choosing a lesser of evils: city life or country life, is not exactly what I think we ought to be doing. The idea that silence needs to be bought is a bit odd since relative silence is the natural state of things. How about we make noise expensive?

City or country we have arranged our lives to include noise pollution. I understand farming and logging noise, I have no issue with those types of noise sources. The farming is seasonal and forest land gets logged every ten years at the very most. I grew up in open farm land with a lot more tractors and equipment running than here in New England.

When it comes to someone endlessly riding a dirt bike around in circles spreading noise pollution for hours on end, for example, because they have a toy and nothing better to do with their time, I've come to realize that is idiotic, even though I was one of the idiots years ago. With a quieter exhaust muffler, there wouldn't be much to hear to begin with.

There is no real reason in many cases for sounds over about 35 dBa to leave our properties. That is about how loud a normal conversation is.

I see it vastly different. I have accepted that my rights are balanced by the rights of others. Why is your right to silence higher than your neighbor's right to cut wood on their land? I haven't become accustom to anything, I understand that my rights don't trump others?

How would you feel if you neighbor was into astronomy and told you that a half hour after dark you needed to turn off all your lights? Not just your house but your car as well so he could enjoy viewing the sky? Light is also a form of pollution. If I understand your logic if one moves to the country then one should be free of all forms of light pollution.
 
   / Neighbor called the Law on me for shooting #114  
:laughing: Keep me from wanting to do anything stupid involving work for memories! :)

I actually like cutting wood now, since I don't NEED it. We burned wood when I was younger, but that stopped when I was 16 and my parents remodeled the house and took out the wood furnace. So, I've never used a chainsaw before, so it will be a learning experience for me. Figure I'm gonna get me a pair of chaps too. My dad never used the safety equipment when I was a kid, but since I'm 36 never used a chainsaw before, I figured I better get all the extra safety gear in hopes I don't need to test them! :)

I don't mind cutting firewood in reasonable amounts. I only cut about 2-3 cords per year and split one cord for my own use by hand. Trimming out trails and messing with brush and saplings gets old.

Wearing the safety gear is an excellent idea. I have paid a price for not wearing hearing protection. If had started to use it at your age, I could hear now probably. Lawn mowers, tractors, go-karts, minibikes, chainsaws, loud motorcycles, loud music, shooting, power tools and the like will take your hearing over time. It kills the important tiny hairs in your ear canals and they don't grow back.
 
   / Neighbor called the Law on me for shooting #115  
I don't mind cutting firewood in reasonable amounts. I only cut about 2-3 cords per year and split one cord for my own use by hand. Trimming out trails and messing with brush and saplings gets old.

Wearing the safety gear is an excellent idea. I have paid a price for not wearing hearing protection. If had started to use it at your age, I could hear now probably. Lawn mowers, tractors, go-karts, minibikes, chainsaws, loud motorcycles, loud music, shooting, power tools and the like will take your hearing over time. It kills the important tiny hairs in your ear canals and they don't grow back.

I definitely wear hearing protection. I do it all the time when mowing and high-RPM tractor use. General low-RPM loader or blade work, not so much, but any other time and the plugs are in. It's amazing how much less fatigued you get when you wear them too.
 
   / Neighbor called the Law on me for shooting #116  
I see it vastly different. I have accepted that my rights are balanced by the rights of others. Why is your right to silence higher than your neighbor's right to cut wood on their land? I haven't become accustom to anything, I understand that my rights don't trump others?

How would you feel if you neighbor was into astronomy and told you that a half hour after dark you needed to turn off all your lights? Not just your house but your car as well so he could enjoy viewing the sky? Light is also a form of pollution. If I understand your logic if one moves to the country then one should be free of all forms of light pollution.

Geez, I said I understand logging noise and have no issue with it. Please re-read.

Yes, all rights are balanced--except when they aren't. Many people, most perhaps, feel they have the right to make whatever noise they want, when they want because they live in the country. No balance in that nor does it make any sense. What does living in the country have to do with the right of polluting the property of others? It has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with the fact that in the country is where we can get away with it.

Dirt bikes don't have to be loud, and lights don't have to allow skyward exposure--in fact, that is illegal in some places now.

The astronomer neighbor is well within his balanced rights to ask his neighbors to not illuminate the sky. The dirt bike neighbor is well within their balanced rights to ask for a quieter exhaust system. In both cases, they are only asking that unnecessary pollution be abated.

What is so unbalanced about that? The sky is supposed to be dark at night, light pollution has an impact on wildlife and people. A home is supposed to be a healthy place, not a health risking noise chamber. Property comes with rights that end at the property line, not three lots down the street just because it's noise. How silly is that idea?

Of course we should apply balance and tolerance, but we should also understand that just because we own property doesn't mean we have a right to determine what happens on neighboring properties. Property has boundaries. Noise is a physical entity just like anything else that can cross boundaries. I don't "owe" my neighbors the right to pollute my property with anything, noise included.

I really doubt the astronomer is going to ask anyone to black-out their existence. We need to use realistic examples.
 
   / Neighbor called the Law on me for shooting #117  
grsthegreat:
"but you know what. I have never said anything to them, and i never would. We all moved out into the country to get away from the stupid city laws about someone controlling where you park your car at night, etc.

its live and let live here."


You moved away from city control, but you don't think about imposing your lifestyle, or that of the dirt biker's, on your neighbors? Maybe they live and let live but at the same time are darn glad when peace and quiet returns--just as you are glad when the bikes get turned off?

How do you know if you are participating in some sort of unspoken mutual suffering agreement, as opposed to improving the neighborhood's quality of life by turning down the noise?[/QUOTE]

oh please.... im really sick and tired of some of these statements you make. How do YOU know so much about what their thinking. Maybe is is the obvious....they dont care and they dont want to bother anyone else with silly quiet zone restrictions.
 
   / Neighbor called the Law on me for shooting #118  
If you think moving into the country means quiet then I hate to burst your bubble. Come fall I have farmers who will harvest their crops well past midnight with loud tractors. I have properties near me that have gotten logged over they years with loud a Timberjack running a Detroit Diesel. In the winter there's snow machines and summer bikes. There's a hill not too far away and the occasional truck will use a jake brake as the go down it. There's always the sound of a chainsaw. Then of course there's someone doing a little practicing with their gun. But that's what it means when you move to the country. I wouldn't trade it for any amount of money and be forced to live in the city. If you want silence then you need to pay for it. Become Ted Turner and just buy enough land so nobody can get close enough.

agree 100%..... we have the same here.
 
   / Neighbor called the Law on me for shooting #119  
Well if he was 400 yard away I sure don't see how it could have bothered him that much. If he was in his house with the windows closed (typical midwest summer high heat and humidity mode) I doubt he could hear the .22's and would have maybe just barely hear the 5 12 guage rounds and the few 9mm's. It sounds to me like the guy has a serious "weed" up something.

James K0UA

James, I sure wish you were the officer out here.

As to noise, the neighbor is listening through several rows of pines and a dense fence row. This neighbor is actually diagonal across the road and about 400 yards from where I was shooting. And about 160 degrees from where I was shooting at. At my 7 o'clock so to speak. So I doubt that some 22's and a few 12's and few 9mm's were that unbearibly loud

MY "crazy" neighbors live in a partially restored old farm house. I mean i have been there 4 yearrs and they still dont have one side of the house painted. He just skips all around, i dont care though its thiers to do as they wish. He is doing it right just super slow and randomly?????

Now that said they told me, when they spoke to me, that they had had squirrels chew up wires in the house. So now these "country" folks who were ex city folk, now have a 20 gauge shotgun, that they will randomly shoot squirrels with. When were in the house watching tv on the far side from them we hear it go off and pause the dvr or turn it down to listen for a second shot. Thats how muffled it is, we cant even tell what it was. Now with the tv not on you can hear it but its not that loud?? And our houses sit 75 feet apart, and they either usually shoot out back or on the far side of thier house from me. So its WAY closer than the neighbors in OP's case. they would have to be outside to even hear them in my opinion.
 
   / Neighbor called the Law on me for shooting #120  
grsthegreat:
"but you know what. I have never said anything to them, and i never would. We all moved out into the country to get away from the stupid city laws about someone controlling where you park your car at night, etc.

its live and let live here."


You moved away from city control, but you don't think about imposing your lifestyle, or that of the dirt biker's, on your neighbors? Maybe they live and let live but at the same time are darn glad when peace and quiet returns--just as you are glad when the bikes get turned off?

How do you know if you are participating in some sort of unspoken mutual suffering agreement, as opposed to improving the neighborhood's quality of life by turning down the noise?

oh please.... im really sick and tired of some of these statements you make. How do YOU know so much about what their thinking. Maybe is is the obvious....they dont care and they dont want to bother anyone else with silly quiet zone restrictions.[/QUOTE]

No need to get your feathers ruffled. It was an honest question, not a statement. If I knew what they were thinking, I wouldn't have asked--really.

Given the number of threads about property use, poor relations with neighbors and the like, I don't consider it a "silly" subject.

Peace.
 

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