OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance

   / OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance #61  
Although somewhat confusing to an Old Phart this is an interesting topic. I'm beginning through every posters input see the light at the end of the tunnel. One last thought wouldn't the back 1/2 any weight on/in rear wheels contribute to the same counterbalance weight as on the 3 pt IE approximately 45% of the weight(wheel weights) in question would be behind rear axle??????????

Yes it is behind the rear axle, but it still won't do any good in the sense of "prying up" the front of the tractor as it is not attached to the chassis of the tractor to act as a lever arm to act around the fulcrum of the rear axle. Let's put 10,000 lbs of wheel weights on the right rear wheel. since they are round and balanced, you would have half of it forward of the center of the axle and half behind the rear axle. They would balance each other out, and you would have 10,000 lbs pressing straight down thru the tire to the ground. BUT it would not matter if you removed the 5000 lbs that was in front of the rear axle and still had the 5000 lbs that was behind the rear axle it still would not "pry up" the front of the tractor one little bit, what it would do is try to rotate the wheel/tire backwards as it is now unbalanced and would try to rotate until the weight was balanced at the lowest point. Do not get us wrong, putting on wheel weights or loading fluid into tires will help prevent the rear of the tractor from raising in the air when you put too large of a load in the loader bucket, but in no way will it take weight off of the front axle. You must have a prybar and a fulcrum point of the rear axle to do that. Here lets make a boompole on the 3pt that is 100 foot long. Now that is quite a "prybar" right? now lets put 50 lbs on the end of the boompole. What will happen. Likely the front of the tractor will lift in the air right? Maybe even the 100 foot boompole itself would have been enough to lift it in the air,depending on what it was made of and what it weighed per foot. I hope these absurd examples are helping not hurting.

James K0UA
 
   / OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance #62  
Extreme examples certainly can't hurt. Whatever we got to try so this gets understood
 
   / OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance
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#63  
Ok thanks I'm getting a grip on (comprehending) it now. Who said you could teach an old dog new tricks???
 
   / OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance #64  
Ok thanks I'm getting a grip on (comprehending) it now. Who said you could teach an old dog new tricks???

Its been a long journey, I hope we are there:thumbsup:
 
   / OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance #65  
In Post # 34 I described the differences of fulcrum, whether it's the front axle or rear. Also described the differences of effect in where the weight is placed. 30 posts later you guys are finally figuring it out. I thought my description was simply put and worded. Guess not. ;)
 
   / OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance #66  
In Post # 34 I described the differences of fulcrum, whether it's the front axle or rear. Also described the differences of effect in where the weight is placed. 30 posts later you guys are finally figuring it out. I thought my description was simply put and worded. Guess not. ;)

It was
 
   / OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance #67  
In Post # 34 I described the differences of fulcrum, whether it's the front axle or rear. Also described the differences of effect in where the weight is placed. 30 posts later you guys are finally figuring it out. I thought my description was simply put and worded. Guess not. ;)

It's actually a not-so-accurate but simplistic analogy and a moment arm is the actual force that places the vertical loads on the front and rear axles. A moment is a rotational force not a simplistic fulcrum (teeter totter). The main loader arms carry the load down along wit the twisting or moment. Don't pat yourself on the back for too long.;)
 
   / OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance
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#68  
In Post # 34 I described the differences of fulcrum, whether it's the front axle or rear. Also described the differences of effect in where the weight is placed. 30 posts later you guys are finally figuring it out. I thought my description was simply put and worded. Guess not. ;)

Sorry I didn't understand your simply put & worded description. I choose not to believe everything I'm told. I may be in minority but I think a lot of readers gained some knowledge(except of course for you) on rear counterbalance. Have a nice night in Missouri(The show me state)!!!
Jim
 
   / OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance #69  
In Post # 34 I described the differences of fulcrum, whether it's the front axle or rear. Also described the differences of effect in where the weight is placed. 30 posts later you guys are finally figuring it out. I thought my description was simply put and worded. Guess not. ;)

Based on that post, it looked like you would rather have the front axle as the fulcrum. Makes no since at all.

Post #39 was a good follow up. ;)
 
   / OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance #70  
In Post # 34 I described the differences of fulcrum, whether it's the front axle or rear.

You did :thumbsup:

Also described the differences of effect in where the weight is placed.

You did:thumbsup:

30 posts later you guys are finally figuring it out.

By "you guys", I hope you arent refering to those of us trying to help TX jim understand this concept. ITs clear that you got it. Others of us already had it. But we are trying to help someone else understand with different wording examples to try to help HIM understand. Something you havent figured out yet.

I thought my description was simply put and worded. Guess not. ;)

Apparently not to TX jim. That is why we are trying to help him out. Not shoot him down with snide remarks and stub our noses at him because we understand and he does not. Thats what sharing and learning are all about.
 

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