Yanmar 336D FEL only works when 3 point is raised to max and straining the engine!?

   / Yanmar 336D FEL only works when 3 point is raised to max and straining the engine!? #1  
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Yanmar 336D
Was told to re-post this in the Yanmar section, hope you guys can help!

here is the original thread if you want to know whats been discussed so far.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/hydraulics/293308-yanmar-336d-fel-only-works.html

At this point i really need to hear from the 336D owners that have a FEL.

original:

Hello, i tried solving this problem on other forums but had no luck. I bought a Yanmar 336D for $1000 recently. The tractor is in decent shape and runs/operates great. However the tractors FEL will not operate unless you raise the 3 point hitch beyond MAX to the point where you can hear the engine bogging down a little. You can also see one of the lines going to the spool valve tense up. If you use the loader the engine tone returns to normal and the line is not tense until you stop using the loader or lower the 3 point. I replaced the spool valve that was on it when i got it however it did the exact same thing with the old one. The reason i replaced the old one was because it was cracked. There are 3 lines hooked to it besides the 4 ones for the loader cylinders. One of the lines just goes into the reservoir (trans housing) and the other 2 go to a block under the seat. I have spoken to several people and some have told me there should only be 2 lines not 3. I also have a power beyond valve on one of the lines. The only reason i installed the power beyond is because i was told with 3 lines i need it and with 2 you dont. I have included photos of the set up. On all the other forums i got alot of people telling me to cut the steel lines from the pump and plumb things in and people speculating. This machine has the factory loader on it so i know it will work somehow without re engineering the hydraulic system so please dont give me those answers. If you have one of these tractors could you please send me photos or show me where the lines go and tell me weather or not i need the power beyond valve. I love this tractor even with the issues it has at the moment and really want it working without issues.

Thanks

yanmarfeldspooldiagram1.jpg ym336ddiagram1.jpg
 
   / Yanmar 336D FEL only works when 3 point is raised to max and straining the engine!? #3  
   / Yanmar 336D FEL only works when 3 point is raised to max and straining the engine!?
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#4  
Thanks for the link. This isn't even my tractor but I thought about it all night. Stuff like this drives me nuts until I can find out what it is. I just knew it was in the block somehow. One little 1/4" plug made so much work for bulldogmack and broke his valve.

Ok so just to make sure im on the same page with you guys, am i removing the plug from inside the block or am i installing one in it?

Thanks so much guys
 
   / Yanmar 336D FEL only works when 3 point is raised to max and straining the engine!?
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#5  
I just reviewed those diagrams again and it makes complete sense now! I removed my lower hose going into the block and there is no plug, i will go out and get one and let you guys know how it turns out! HOPEFULLY this is the missing piece! Not having that plug also explains why i could switch the PB and pressure lines and get the same results with pressure on both lines. Now the only other question is HOW THE H*** DID THIS HAPPEN? The machine has the factory loader on it!? I mean i have only owned it several months but i cant seem to imagine the reason why someone would remove that plug!

Thanks so much again guys!
 
   / Yanmar 336D FEL only works when 3 point is raised to max and straining the engine!? #6  
It wasn't put in when the loader was put on. That's why the old valve cracked and the new might also if you don't put it in. Man I bet you feel a lot better.
 
   / Yanmar 336D FEL only works when 3 point is raised to max and straining the engine!? #7  
I just reviewed those diagrams again and it makes complete sense now! I removed my lower hose going into the block and there is no plug, i will go out and get one and let you guys know how it turns out! HOPEFULLY this is the missing piece! Not having that plug also explains why i could switch the PB and pressure lines and get the same results with pressure on both lines. Now the only other question is HOW THE H*** DID THIS HAPPEN? The machine has the factory loader on it!? I mean i have only owned it several months but i cant seem to imagine the reason why someone would remove that plug!

Thanks so much again guys!

I just love how Winston and some of the other guys here are able to dig up old post. Like Leejohn, I was leaning towards the block that feeds ? the loader valve, but didn't know what exactly what to tell you to do to fix it... Glad you know what's going on and a possible fix, now that Winston posted that link. I hope it works out for ya
 
   / Yanmar 336D FEL only works when 3 point is raised to max and straining the engine!?
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#8  
yanmar fel plug.jpg

Well guys..... it turns out all i needed was this little plug all along! Went to several stores with no luck until i went to Auto Zone and they had a fancy chrome one in the right size! Installed the plug and sure enough that was the issue! You guys have no idea how much i appreciate all of your help, i really enjoy this tractor and now that the FEL FINALLY is working the way it should it is just that much better. Im also very happy the problem was solved before another cracked valve or who knows. I know the previous owner had a fair amount of hydraulic related problems and MANY blown hydraulic hoses. I guess we will never really know how that plug got removed in the first place but its there now and i aint taken it out! I had help on My Tractor Forum but it was pretty much everyone telling me to cut the steel lines and all kinds of things i didn't want to do. Thanks again guys!
 
   / Yanmar 336D FEL only works when 3 point is raised to max and straining the engine!? #9  
bulldog
what do you have for a hyd filter on the 336 ? Is it factory or a replacement ?
 
   / Yanmar 336D FEL only works when 3 point is raised to max and straining the engine!?
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#10  
bulldog
what do you have for a hyd filter on the 336 ? Is it factory or a replacement ?

To be honest im not really sure, i know its not factory but the number/letters are worn off of it. Probably needs to be replaced!
 

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