EPA going after Wood Burning Stoves and manufactures NEW RULE Jan 3rd 2014

[s219]

Stove manufacturers have known about this for a long time, and they have had plenty of time to develop better products. Sadly, it is needed. Too many boneheads are polluting and smoking out their neighbors. This won't solve all problems, but it's a step in the right direction.

 

[SPIKER]

Stove manufacturers have known about this for a long time, and they have had plenty of time to develop better products. Sadly, it is needed. Too many boneheads are polluting and smoking out their neighbors. This won't solve all problems, but it's a step in the right direction.

At best the BONE HEADS will ruin their stoves in a year and they will replace them or scrap them (all the stove would be worth after miss handled.)

Truth be told I DON'T Burn Wood (YET) but have an old stove setting and have setup for Outdoor Wood Burner (Boiler) but have not bought one yet.

Biggest problem is it will stop a lot of jobs in many industries and force more propane, oil and natural gas to be burned sucking more $ out of a weak economy. These agencies should NOT have to power to outlaw an entire industry, that power should only rest in Congress's hands. That is per our constitution but then many of the comments would just assume to toss it into a clean burning $10,000 stove...

Mark

 

[ultrarunner]

I live next to a low-tech, soot spewing OWB operated by an idiot that hasn't got ambition enough to cut wood more than a week ahead of the stove. I have to close my windows & doors on perfectly fine spring & autumn evenings due to the stench of incompletely burnt wood drifting down the hill from next door; been that way for several years. My only recourse is to wait for the thing to wear out.
Regulations like this can't come fast enough, it's a shame they will only apply to new units.

There's your opposing viewpoint.

I live in California and one call about smoke would get quick action...

Must be different in NY?

 

[ultrarunner]

This is all over the internet, and basically is a mountain being made out of a molehill. "EPA GOING AFTER WOOD STOVES"....ah, baloney. It only applies to new stoves being manufactured. There are tons of old stoves out there ( that ought to go the scrap pile IMHO ), and will be for 100 years.

The new stoves don't use catalytic converters for the most part.....that was 1st generation technology to reduce emissions. The 2nd generation stoves use re-burn or gasification technology. A series of stainless steel tubes in the ceiling of the stove routes the exhaust gas thru the tube and out a row of holes in the tube. The stove burns those gases, reducing emissions, increasing heat output, and reducing wood use.

They are a vast improvement over the older stoves. I've owned both, and would never go back to my old Fisher air-tight stove. BEST I could do with it, using well seasoned wood, was about a 5 gallon bucket of creosote cleaned out each spring. New stove, about 1/2 a #10 can ! Almost nothing ! And you can see the difference outside...new stove puts out almost no smoke.....

I'm sorry it took the EPA to get stove manufacturers to make better stoves, but there it is.

Side by side comparison of old and new stoves.

Advanced Woodstove Technology - YouTube

Are you saying the catalytic stoves don't burn clean or that the catalyitic convertor is no longer necesary?

 

[Midniteoyl]

Are you saying the catalytic stoves don't burn clean or that the catalyitic convertor is no longer necesary?

Not necessary.. I have one that puts out less than the new EPA requirements, and have had it since 2006. It IS a Canadian product however

 

[sd455dan]

This is all over the internet, and basically is a mountain being made out of a molehill. "EPA GOING AFTER WOOD STOVES"....ah, baloney. It only applies to new stoves being manufactured. There are tons of old stoves out there ( that ought to go the scrap pile IMHO ), and will be for 100 years.

The new stoves don't use catalytic converters for the most part.....that was 1st generation technology to reduce emissions. The 2nd generation stoves use re-burn or gasification technology. A series of stainless steel tubes in the ceiling of the stove routes the exhaust gas thru the tube and out a row of holes in the tube. The stove burns those gases, reducing emissions, increasing heat output, and reducing wood use.

They are a vast improvement over the older stoves. I've owned both, and would never go back to my old Fisher air-tight stove. BEST I could do with it, using well seasoned wood, was about a 5 gallon bucket of creosote cleaned out each spring. New stove, about 1/2 a #10 can ! Almost nothing ! And you can see the difference outside...new stove puts out almost no smoke.....

I'm sorry it took the EPA to get stove manufacturers to make better stoves, but there it is.

Side by side comparison of old and new stoves.

Advanced Woodstove Technology - YouTube

So are these new stoves better than the Blaze King catalytics- been running a Princess for years and they may not be THE absolute cleanest but they pretty good @ 2.4 grams per hour and EPA default estimated @72% efficiency although Actual measured efficiency is 81% have always been able to hold a fire and keep the house warm . The fires easily last till morning without getting up in the middle of the night to re-load.
Just wondering how well these new tech versions do for actual wood use vs. heat output over time?
I find it odd that they impose a much higher standard for the catalytic stoves for the particulate output when compared with ANY non cat version??? So how can the non cats be (more efficient)? and what kind of rated/ measured efficiency are they achieving?

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Remember when the gov't attitude towards forest fires was to just let them burn? any they worry about wood stove smoke? I got people near me still burning coal.

 

[TCowner]

We just installed a Blaze King Princess (seems like a wimpy name for a wood stove) and am fairly impressed so far. The heat output is quite even and it is nice that it is still putting out heat after 8-10 hours. It is a catalytic stove so the combustor will need to be replaced at about 5 -7 years.

 

[tkappeler]

I have a Fireplace Xtrordinair 36" Elite fireplace. It's a fireplace in name only. More like a stove dressed as a fireplace. Heats almost the whole house and has a catalytic converter. Very little smoke and am very happy with it.

Personally, I think these regulations go past diminishing returns. There were already regs to limit the amount of fine particulates and the biggest hit for manufacturers was already taken to go from no limits to the current 7.5 g/hr standard. To go from 7.5 to 4.5 as proposed will cost a lot for a smaller return. Taking it down to 1.3 in 2019 is another way of saying goodbye to the wood burners everywhere.

I feel for the small companies that can't afford to re-engineer for the new regs.

 

[Rocksprings]

Will this affect my moonshining operation ? Them Government people are my best customers.