New Ford F150

[fordmantpw]

See my link above, it clearly states Ford has NOT even begun to pay it back even with record profits...

What link? And what were the terms of the loan? When does it need to be paid back by to be within the terms of the loan? That's what matters.

 

[ecamD]

What link? And what were the terms of the loan? When does it need to be paid back by to be within the terms of the loan? That's what matters.

Automakers' Report Card: Who Still Owes Taxpayers Money? The Answer Might Surprise You - Forbes

Of course your not going to get specifics but this article is over a year old so that first $577 million should have been paid already...

 

[fordmantpw]

Automakers' Report Card: Who Still Owes Taxpayers Money? The Answer Might Surprise You - Forbes

Of course your not going to get specifics but this article is over a year old so that first $577 million should have been paid already...

So, sounds to me like Ford is on the up and up (assuming they have started paying it back, which I'm sure they have).

So, if you were Ford, and had 2 loans, when at 4% and one at 10%, which one would you pay off first? Wouldn't you pay off the 10% loan first? That's what they are doing, since the fed loan is at a lower rate. Makes perfect sense, and Ford is following the terms of the loan. Why do you have a problem with that?

 

[aczlan]

It's not the coil springs that cause the low payload, it's that low GVWR they put on their trucks. The 2500's got coil springs and its payload beats the leaf spring F150.

Point being its not the coils that make the Ram 1500 have a low payload. It was stated that coil springs "neutered the RAM's payload".

Really? Lets compare apples to apples.
2014 3/4 ton truck, 4x4, Regular Cab, 8' Bed, Diesel, 10,000 GVWR package.
Ford F250 (137" WB) payload = 2709#. Source: http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/14FLRVTTgde_Sep9.pdf (Page 10)
Dodge 2500 (140" WB) payload = 2004.7#. Source: http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2014/docs/ram/hdramcg.pdf (Page 5).

2014 3/4 ton truck, 4x4, Crew Cab, 8' Bed, Diesel, 10,000 GVWR package.
Ford F250 (172.4" WB) payload = 1591#. Source: http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/14FLRVTTgde_Sep9.pdf (Page 10)
Dodge 2500 (169.5" WB) payload = 1004.5#. Source: http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2014/docs/ram/hdramcg.pdf (Page 5).
Looks like the Ford with leaf springs beats the Dodge with coil springs by 500# or 700#.

Aaron Z

 

[fordmantpw]

Really? Lets compare apples to apples.
2014 3/4 ton truck, 4x4, Regular Cab, 8' Bed, Diesel, 10,000 GVWR package.
Ford F250 (137" WB) payload = 2709#. Source: http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/14FLRVTTgde_Sep9.pdf (Page 10)
Dodge 2500 (140" WB) payload = 2004.7#. Source: http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2014/docs/ram/hdramcg.pdf (Page 5).

2014 3/4 ton truck, 4x4, Crew Cab, 8' Bed, Diesel, 10,000 GVWR package.
Ford F250 (172.4" WB) payload = 1591#. Source: http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/14FLRVTTgde_Sep9.pdf (Page 10)
Dodge 2500 (169.5" WB) payload = 1004.5#. Source: http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2014/docs/ram/hdramcg.pdf (Page 5).
Looks like the Ford with leaf springs beats the Dodge with coil springs by 500# or 700#.

Aaron Z

Oh man, you're not going to use facts, are you?

 

[jejeosborne]

It's not the coil springs that cause the low payload, it's that low GVWR they put on their trucks. The 2500's got coil springs and its payload beats the leaf spring F150. It will be nice to see the new specs of the F150 but most dont need a 1/2 ton truck that can haul 4000 lbs in the bed.
The 2.7 Ecoboost is NOT what I meant by minor change obviously. It was in relation to the 3.5l which so far sounds unchanged. Dropping 700lbs in a 5500 lb truck is not going to gain much.

I like the Ecoboost 3.5l but feel it should perform MUCH better than the other old age V8's when in fact it matches the performance yet returns slightly better fuel mileage. Although those that tow often are reporting rpthe same overall as the V8's.

If it's not the coil suspension, what is it? Weak frame? I assumed it would be the suspension since the year they switched, the payload went down. Do you know why it is low then because I'm just guessing?

I am glad they left the 3.5 ecoboost alone. It is already a good performing engine and easy to tune in another 50 HP for a couple hundred bucks. Leave well enough alone.

What V8 engine do you feel the 3.5 liter ecoboost matches in performance?

 

[ecamD]

Once again, its not the coils that lead to a lower payload. Compare the old leaf spring RAM 2500 to the new coil spring Ram. The payload increased.

Comparing a Ford to a Ram proves nothing. The over-rated Ford numbers didn't change. The Ram 2500 increased in payload from leaf springs to coils, so once again the coil spring suspension does not "nueter" payload capacities...

Compare Apples-to-Apples!

 

[ecamD]

If it's not the coil suspension, what is it? Weak frame? I assumed it would be the suspension since the year they switched, the payload went down. Do you know why it is low then because I'm just guessing?

I am glad they left the 3.5 ecoboost alone. It is already a good performing engine and easy to tune in another 50 HP for a couple hundred bucks. Leave well enough alone.

What V8 engine do you feel the 3.5 liter ecoboost matches in performance?

The year they changed to coils the base weight increased but the GVWR stayed the same 6800lbs, that's the reason for the lower payload in the 1500's. That is a big problem they need to change, I don't need a an 8500lb GVWR 1/2 ton but 7200-7500 is good. I wonder if they don't want to compete with the 3/4 ton trucks...

Performance wise, the Ecoboost matches the Tundra 5.7l, GM 6.2l and RAM 5.7l well but with all the technology stuffed in that truck it should do better than match or slightly beat. There's just too much to go wrong for the benefit. It's still early though, I think the Ecoboost will develop nicely.
My buddies already gone through way too many trips to the Ford dealer with his 2011 Ecoboost for stalling, shuddering from a stop, harsh shifts, poor performance, etc...

Yet our older simpler trucks pull just as well and are within 10-15% of his fuel mileage.

 

[Topkicker]

Got the skinny on why Ford is using more aluminum and shedding weight. It's the same reason GM (which most here know I work for) is bringing back a smaller truck. Mark Ruess (our N American president) admits GM is taking a risk w the 3 size truck strategy across 2 brands (Chevy/GMC). GM believes smaller pickups will offer customers a greater number of options and help us meet new federal emission standards. Ford's strategy is to use a vast number of aluminum parts on their F-Series to shed weight to meet the same fuel economy targets. In short, both GM and Ford are taking risks to keep in compliance with the Government emission laws. All this was discussed at the plant yesterday. I hope both strategies work for each company. GM and Ford both depend heavily on their truck segment to compete with the 13 plus foreign auto brands being sold on U.S. soil. I think the 15 F-150 in the pics looks good. Ford trucks are kinda known for there large grills. Like the way it looks or not, you KNOW it's a Ford truck at a glance. No different w Chevy truck grills having a solid bar with a gold Bow-Tie. You KNOW it's a Silverado. There is HUGE brand loyalty to both GM and Ford. Always have been. Always will be. It's seen everyday on this forum.

 

[aczlan]

Once again, its not the coils that lead to a lower payload. Compare the old leaf spring RAM 2500 to the new coil spring Ram. The payload increased.
Comparing a Ford to a Ram proves nothing. The over-rated Ford numbers didn't change.
The Ram 2500 increased in payload from leaf springs to coils, so once again the coil spring suspension does not "nueter" payload capacities...
Compare Apples-to-Apples!

Should I add in Chevy who rates their 3/4 tons as high or higher than Ford does? (I didn't include them above because they didn't have a regular cab long bed Diesel listed).
As for numbers going up, Fords numbers went up from 2013 to 2014. The 2013 F250 long bed regular cab had a payload of 2,629# and the Crew Cab had a payload of 1499# (source: http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/13flrv&tt_superdtypu.pdf, page 4)
How much more apples to apples can you get than comparing two trucks with the same bed size, cab size, GVWR and almost the same wheelbase (within 3-4 inches).
If two of the three brands of 3/4 ton truck have a higher payload capacity year after year, one might begin to suspect that the brand with the low capacity doesn't trust their trucks...

Aaron Z