fordmantpw
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You don't like Ford we get it. Why bother posting on a Ford thread. It's obvious you are completely clueless.
Oh, and that $5.9B on your avatar was a LOAN that Ford paid back WITH INTEREST. Get your facts straight troll.
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You don't like Ford we get it. Why bother posting on a Ford thread. It's obvious you are completely clueless.
Oh, and that $5.9B on your avatar was a LOAN that Ford paid back WITH INTEREST. Get your facts straight troll.
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Hmnn-aside from your post comments, your avatar says you are not exactly a Ford man. Too bad Ford didn't consult you before they made their weight reduction move. And I'm headed to the garage now to throw all those tools back in my trunk because for years I've been listening to all the experts that have been saying needless weight hurts mpg.
This is what makes TBN so great-always learning something new!:laughing:
mikehaugen
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I'm no engineer but my guess would be that weight has a substantially larger impact on fuel mileage in the city vs. On the interstate... where I think aerodynamics would be more critical.
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daugen
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that makes a lot of sense. All that power needed to overcome inertia and get the vehicle rolling, less weight, less power needed.
Of course like we have all learned from the Ecoboost Ford, whether you keep your foot in 350 hp of V8 or 350hp of V6, might not be much of a difference at the end of the day.
LRR tires can count for 1-2mpg also. You want to run Monster Mudders? Well it's going to cost you.
fordmantpw
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That is correct. However, you do have to get the weight moving, and you do go up hills. Plus, the weight increases the friction component, and that adds to it as well.
The big this is, by decreasing weight, you can decrease the engine size, and size of many components. Decreasing engine size and component size makes things more efficient, and things begin to snowball.
jejeosborne
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I guess it all depends on what one expects in a model change.
Yeah it would be nice to see coil suspension but only if they can maintain their great payload capacities. That is likely what neutered the Ram. Hopefully the weight loss will benefit the payload even more. If the new frame is as strong as the current, payload numbers could be crazy high with the 700 lb weight loss.
I consider an entirely new 2.7 ecoboost with start stop to be more than a "minor change in ecoboost". Yes it probably won't be achieving 30 MPG but I would predict it being mid 20's which would make it cheaper to operate than a small diesel getting 30.
I haven't heard of the Raptor being dropped. If so it would just be for a short period I would guess, not that I would consider one anyway. If it stays, hopefully they will finally put the 3.5 ecoboost in rather than the boat anchor 6.2 so it can fly.
The medium block 6.2 wasn't a big seller due to the success of the 3.5 ecoboost.
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daugen
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I'm sure Ford could take another thousand pounds out still, if we wanted to pay twice as much for the truck; it would be built like the lunar rover.
But I keep getting hung up on weight of tow vehicle vs weight of what's being towed.
I've driven a tractor trailer and felt an oversize load push me around the curves, almost like power steering.
That's not a comforting feeling and I don't think I want to feel my half ton truck, space age or not, get pushed around by the load behind.
Maybe this can all be absorbed by high tech electronics, sophisticated trailer braking, perhaps just on the wheels on the inner side of the curve.
But they are going to have to do something, because at some point, those five tons back there are
going to scare the heck out of you on a wet road, pulling it with your two ton truck.
But I keep getting hung up on weight of tow vehicle vs weight of what's being towed.
I've driven a tractor trailer and felt an oversize load push me around the curves, almost like power steering.
That's not a comforting feeling and I don't think I want to feel my half ton truck, space age or not, get pushed around by the load behind.
Maybe this can all be absorbed by high tech electronics, sophisticated trailer braking, perhaps just on the wheels on the inner side of the curve.
But they are going to have to do something, because at some point, those five tons back there are
going to scare the heck out of you on a wet road, pulling it with your two ton truck.
fordmantpw
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That's one of my concerns as well, and one of the reasons I tow with a 3/4 ton Super Duty even though a 1/2 ton has the towing capacity.
jejeosborne
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I have seen that video before. There is a lot of technology giving the newer vehicle the upper hand. I agree with the kinetic energy a heavy vehicle has to absorb when hitting a fixed object. I would rather be in the heavier vehicle when two vehicles are involved. Moral of the story, don't hit anything but if you do, make sure it is movable.
Since the current model f150 is one of the safest vehicles on the road, I am pretty certain ford would want to maintain that honor. Poor crash tests hurt sales.
jejeosborne
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Secure 700 lbs of concrete into the bed. Problem solved.