Will this one arm loader fit my 881?

[Santa Craig Cringle]

It's on sale for $200.

What intelligent questions need to be asked?

 

[motownbrowne]

Does that tractor have hydraulic ports?

 

[Santa Craig Cringle]

As far as I know. I just bought the tractor a couple days ago and I know there is a bunch of hydraulic stuff on it. I've never really worked on hydraulics before so I haven't learned much about them. I attached some pictures of my set-up which I happen to have handy.

 

[ovrszd]

This is definitely a question for Soundguy. He's the "go to" guy on vintage Fords. I think you'll get better response if you keep all the questions on one thread though. Easier for him and other experts to keep track of.

 

[Cvans]

yours is the same valve body that I use to operate my loader. Now you will need to find out the capacity of the internal pump to determine if it is appropriate to use with a loader. I'm using the internal pump on my 850 and it will lift anything the tractor can handle but it is not fast. I just use it to lift things so it doesn't matter to me. It would be slow for snow removal in the winter though.

 

[Kirk-NJ]

This is a model 711 with a trip manure bucket with looks to be a plate/skirt on the bottom of the bucket. It appears to be what they call a long box. The photo you show will not fit anything unless you already have the brackets for it on your tractor. It will fit your tractor if it has the proper brackets. You need to ask owner what it came off off and if he has all the brackets to attach it to that model tractor. Some of the brackets from the 8n and NAA are worth more value and easier to sell or trade for the brackets you will need.
It's too much money if sold without brackets. Many times the ;oader are taken off and the tractor get sold separately with the brackets still on it.
Also ask owner to send you a photo of the brackets so you are getting all the brackets.

Kirk

 

[Santa Craig Cringle]

This is a model 711 with a trip manure bucket with looks to be a plate/skirt on the bottom of the bucket. It appears to be what they call a long box. The photo you show will not fit anything unless you already have the brackets for it on your tractor. It will fit your tractor if it has the proper brackets. You need to ask owner what it came off off and if he has all the brackets to attach it to that model tractor. Some of the brackets from the 8n and NAA are worth more value and easier to sell or trade for the brackets you will need.
It's too much money if sold without brackets. Many times the ;oader are taken off and the tractor get sold separately with the brackets still on it. Also ask owner to send you a photo of the brackets so you are getting all the brackets.

Thanks. If he doesn't have them, how difficult would it be to fabricate the brackets or how much would it cost to hire it out to be done? Or conversely, could you modify the 881 to accept 8N or NAA brackets?

 

[Soundguy]

yes, he has hyds.

 

[Soundguy]

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It's on sale for $200.

What intelligent questions need to be asked?

yes, it will fit... need to get the brackets for it.

front and bottom brackets are easy.. side bracket .. ( hip bracket ) that's worth half as much as the loader by itself.

 

[Kirk-NJ]

The trans hip bracket would be the hard one to duplicate, the rest you could fab out of flat stock. I have a homemade hip bracket on my 4000. Who ever made it did a real nice job. Here's what a set of brackets look like. this set is missing one more flat piece about 6" long.
If you are lucky enough to get a set for an 8n or NAA it wouldn't be worth hacking them up to make your set being they are worth triple the money.

 

[Santa Craig Cringle]

The trans hip bracket would be the hard one to duplicate, the rest you could fab out of flat stock. I have a homemade hip bracket on my 4000. Who ever made it did a real nice job. Here's what a set of brackets look like. this set is missing one more flat piece about 6" long.

Do you have a side view and opposite view of that middle one (assume that's the hip bracket). It it shaped that way to rest a spherical shape in it? I'm envisioning a human hip femur ball LOL.

 

[Soundguy]

The trans hip bracket would be the hard one to duplicate, the rest you could fab out of flat stock. I have a homemade hip bracket on my 4000. Who ever made it did a real nice job. Here's what a set of brackets look like. this set is missing one more flat piece about 6" long.
If you are lucky enough to get a set for an 8n or NAA it wouldn't be worth hacking them up to make your set being they are worth triple the money.
View attachment 364095

the 8n set woulodn't help at all anyway.

the naa set.. only the front and lower brackets fit.. and those are torchable out of 1/2 plate and 3/8 plate,

ditto on the hip bracket being the difficult one.

I have seen 2 made. one was on a rowcrop where the steering arm was not an issue.

the other was on an ag model and the guy started with a bursh hog blade that had one of the bends already in it. still took lots of weld and torching to work.

IMHO.. I wouldn't go into a deal trying to make one.. and I'd pay only 50-75$ for the laoder without the brackets

 

[Soundguy]

Do you have a side view and opposite view of that middle one (assume that's the hip bracket). It it shaped that way to rest a spherical shape in it? I'm envisioning a human hip femur ball LOL.

the hip bracket is extremely hard to make correctly. it incorporates a couple complex bends to get around the housing and make clearance for the steering arms. I have probably 8 of those loadrs on stuff from naa, 00/01 and 3 cyl jobs. have another setting in the pasture that looks just like the one you are looking at. got it for 75$

http://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/uptest/a6407.jpg

here's one kirk may recognize! hard to find too!

http://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/uptest/a6753.jpg

 

[Santa Craig Cringle]

So is the 711 the one that does not have the hydraulic articulated bucket?
Would a beginning to intermediate welder or metal fabricator be able to add the hardware needed to articulate the bucket to make it like what I presume is the 722?
Are there other types of buckets and other attachments (e.g. forks) that you can attach to this type of loader?
Would I be better off waiting and looking for something with a standard or skid-steer type attachment?

 

[Santa Craig Cringle]

http://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/uptest/a6753.jpg

What is that second pic you posted?

 

[Soundguy]

the 711 is the laoder without an internal hyd resevoir, attached valve and pump set. the 722 DOES have the resevoir, valve and pump. the 711 was thus, the economy model.. and the 722 more $$. as you can imagine, the economy models were less often found with the hyd bucket.. BUT they were available.

keep in mind the lift cyl is single acting as well. power up, gravity down.

the original scissor linkage and cross bar COULD be fabbed up to look original and add a cyl.. however a simply cyl and 2 mounting ears will likely get it done.

you still need to find that hip bracket

So is the 711 the one that does not have the hydraulic articulated bucket?
Would a beginning to intermediate welder or metal fabricator be able to add the hardware needed to articulate the bucket to make it like what I presume is the 722?
Are there other types of buckets and other attachments (e.g. forks) that you can attach to this type of loader?
Would I be better off waiting and looking for something with a standard or skid-steer type attachment?

 

[Soundguy]

What is that second pic you posted?

one of the many variations of possible hip brackets used . there are different brackets between the 3 and 4 cyl, between the 8n and naa, and the LCG MODELS. THERE ARE ALSO CONVERSION BRACKETS SO THE 3 CYL LOADER THAT HAS A SHORT BOX CAN BE USED ON A 4 CYL MACHINE THAT NEEDS THE LONG BOX. ( darn caps lock.. )

 

[Santa Craig Cringle]

one of the many variations of possible hip brackets used . there are different brackets between the 3 and 4 cyl, between the 8n and naa, and the LCG MODELS. THERE ARE ALSO CONVERSION BRACKETS SO THE 3 CYL LOADER THAT HAS A SHORT BOX CAN BE USED ON A 4 CYL MACHINE THAT NEEDS THE LONG BOX. ( darn caps lock.. )

adapter easy to fabricate?

 

[Kirk-NJ]

Here is a shot of my homemade bracket and a bracket from one of my row crops. This bracket is an offset to mount the short box. The front row crop bracket is a whole other thing.
Your'e kind of getting a head of yourself. first find out is the owner has any bracket, if not he still might be holding around that price because he thinks it's "rare".

 

[Soundguy]

adapter easy to fabricate?

what adapter?