Apple hires 800 at $8/hr

[GPintheMitten]

You raise very good points Dave. I agree with helping those who need it whether we know them or not. But I am concerned about generations of welfare dependents, sometimes several generations. And im very concerned with the federal government trying to spread the money out evenly. We are not there yet, but socialism says produce all that you can and use only what you need and your needs will be met regardless of what you produce. We have a lot of liberals who think and vote that way.

The govt is spending more than it takes in and continues to promise more and more. Once there are more people getting more from the govt than they put in, there will be no one willing to stop the bleeding. We will go the way of the Roman Empire but it wont be caused from invasions by the Goths. We will do it to ourselves.

There may not be enough machine for every cog but each cog needs to do what he can to be needed. We are along way from that.

 

[ultrarunner]

Dave, always enjoy your posts and prospective.

I think the other side is seeing just how many can go to the same schools, live in the same neighborhoods, see the same doctors without ever paying in or supporting the system.

It really is quite common for me to know generations being on assistance and there is the rationale of why work when all I need is provided.

 

[dave1949]

You raise very good points Dave. I agree with helping those who need it whether we know them or not. But I am concerned about generations of welfare dependents, sometimes several generations. And im very concerned with the federal government trying to spread the money out evenly. We are not there yet, but socialism says produce all that you can and use only what you need and your needs will be met regardless of what you produce. We have a lot of liberals who think and vote that way.

The govt is spending more than it takes in and continues to promise more and more. Once there are more people getting more from the govt than they put in, there will be no one willing to stop the bleeding. We will go the way of the Roman Empire but it wont be caused from invasions by the Goths. We will do it to ourselves.

There may not be enough machine for every cog but each cog needs to do what he can to be needed. We are along way from that.

Dave, always enjoy your posts and prospective.

I think the other side is seeing just how many can go to the same schools, live in the same neighborhoods, see the same doctors without ever paying in or supporting the system.

It really is quite common for me to know generations being on assistance and there is the rationale of why work when all I need is provided.

There are states that put a cap on the number of years a person may receive welfare. I guess that applies to the able-bodied, but that can be/is cheated also. I'm not sure what became of it, but here in Maine they were discussing a five year cap. A cap of whatever length sounds fair to me. I think if you haven't figured it out/got additional training in a couple of years, you aren't trying.

 

[ultrarunner]

Most typical is a woman age 40 with grandchildren... mom is on Drugs or not in the picture.

Unless disabled/elderly... the key to assistance is dependant minor children.

I've actually known people that have more children to get a larger housing voucher and more benefits.

Lots of Grandmothers taking care of grandchildren.

In over 30 years... I've only know two families that left the program as opposed to those that pass housing certificates from one generation to the next.

 

[dave1949]

Locally we have a disproportionately high number of older people who are economically marooned along with having chronic health issues.

Last week my 93-year-old neighbor lady's Life Alert brought the EMS squad to her house. She's mostly okay, just fell and got a head gash. She had all the doors locked, no key or lock box outside. The VFD had to break in finally--through three separately locked doors. She refused transport to the hospital for a checkup. Widow of a Navy Vet, lives alone in her own home, has no plans to go anywhere.

We have lots of folks like that around ages 65-75 who account for the majority of our EMS calls. They aren't ever going to work. I have no idea how many are receiving some form of welfare support. Probably most are on MaineCare/Medicaid.

That is more typical of the poverty in our very rural area. Maine has the highest average age residents of all the states. It's getting to be an economic issue for the state budget.

 

[GPintheMitten]

Good point about the elderly Dave. I did not factor them in when posting. There are those who are just scraping by or who need help and deserve it. It's sad.

My sister was on welfare for about a year. Her worthless husband abandoned her and their 2 young daughters. This was about 40 years ago. She used the help to go to school and became an xray technician. Raised her 2 daughters who each got an education and are in the health care industry. My sister just retired last year.

This is a good example of how a safety net should work. Temporary help to get back on your feet.

Edit to add: My sister's determination to make it was in part due to a good family upbringing by my parents. Thats the othet part of the formula for success is a stable moral family environment. It doesnt guarantee success and it can occur without it for some determined people but there are too many kids growing up without a good family.

 

[PILOON]

A lot depends on the task involved.
If for an engineer than that is a big no no.
If to sweep floors Ok,
If to play/test new games or insert transistors in a PC board OK
It is all about skill levels required IMHO.
AND
much better to pay $8.00/hr to a US/Cdn citizen than $2.00/day to a chicom that contributes nothing to our economy.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Good point about the elderly Dave. I did not factor them in when posting. There are those who are just scraping by or who need help and deserve it. It's sad.

My sister was on welfare for about a year. Her worthless husband abandoned her and their 2 young daughters. This was about 40 years ago. She used the help to go to school and became an xray technician. Raised her 2 daughters who each got an education and are in the health care industry. My sister just retired last year.

This is a good example of how a safety net should work. Temporary help to get back on your feet.

Edit to add: My sister's determination to make it was in part due to a good family upbringing by my parents. Thats the othet part of the formula for success is a stable moral family environment. It doesnt guarantee success and it can occur without it for some determined people but there are too many kids growing up without a good family.

Upbringing can be key factor in how life goes for us.

 

[houstonscott]

A lot depends on the task involved. If for an engineer than that is a big no no. If to sweep floors Ok, If to play/test new games or insert transistors in a PC board OK It is all about skill levels required IMHO. AND much better to pay $8.00/hr to a US/Cdn citizen than $2.00/day to a chicom that contributes nothing to our economy.

The problem is the chicom does a better job for $2 than the typical $8 type here in America. HS

 

[300UGUY]

The problem is the chicom does a better job for $2 than the typical $8 type here in America. HS

It's not just factory jobs. The largest employer in my town used to be a insurance company. They keep downsizing, while increasing the foriegn workers. Computer operations are mostly gone, along with accounting and actuaries. Most of these jobs went to India. One of my neighbor's had 24 years in as a accountant, got let go. Meanwhile, the top management has had multi million dollar bonuses. It's the way corporate America works these days.