Moronic drivers

   / Moronic drivers #71  
When I was a teenager I was a marshal on a race track and on rallies (mostly dirt road with a few asphalt sections thrown in). Initially I worked at the beginning or end of the "special stages" and timed the competitors in or out. Later I ended up in some of the "official" vehicles which cleared the course before or after the competitors, since many of the older marshals did not have the stomach for it.

It was certainly an eye opening experience for me and a good time to learn these kinds of things. I discovered that the really good drivers had special brain capacity so that their conscious mind was not required for any of the typical driving tasks (shifting gear, applying power, steering etc). Their mental capacity and training was such that those tasks were done essentially autonomously. The conscious mind was capable of holding a conversation, listening if there was any kind of problem with the car, looking for any sign that the navigators instructions might be off. One of the things that most people do not realize is that the rally drivers have to drive beyond the limits of their vision. In other words, the navigator says that a left had turn of radius X is coming up Y meters and the driver will set up the car for the turn before he has any chance of seeing the start of the turn. Even more amazing is that they will recover even if the navigator makes a mistake and there is a 1000ft sheer drop off the side of the road.

The characteristics that define people who excel in driving are basically the same as those that define fighter pilots and the biggest one is the ability of the brain to process multiple tasks simultaneously. Being exposed to this kind of talent when I was in my teens led to a little quick self examination and realization that I was not in this class and never would be. In fact, my wife defines me as being a "slow processor". That does not mean that I am dumb, my many patent applications would contest that, but it does mean that high speed anything was probably not what I was made for. Consequently I neatly avoided the overconfidence that is so typical for most males when they get their drivers license and then proceed to total the next 3 cars that they own... Living within ones limitations is a very important life lesson that many never seem to reach.
 
   / Moronic drivers #72  
Living within ones limitations is a very important life lesson that many never seem to reach.

Well said. And those limitations change with age, experience, physical condition, etc. Yep, I'm among those who believe I'm a better than average driver. But I also know that at age 74, I'm not even close to being the driver I was 40 years ago. So I know I have to be more careful than ever.
 
   / Moronic drivers
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#73  
Well said. And those limitations change with age, experience, physical condition, etc. Yep, I'm among those who believe I'm a better than average driver. But I also know that at age 74, I'm not even close to being the driver I was 40 years ago. So I know I have to be more careful than ever.

Bird...I have always thought for the majority of us older drivers, our experience cancels out the slower reflexes and sometimes the reduced vision...and we are MUCH more careful because we know our limitations, unlike the reckless idiots who think they are really capable behind the wheel.
 
   / Moronic drivers #74  
we know our limitations, unlike the reckless idiots who think they are really capable behind the wheel.

and they forget that "Traction Control, ABS, etc" are doing their job for them.... and think THEY are great drivers ...

foolish? yes.... dangerous ? yes .....

how about using "driving simulators" ( like flying simulators ) for testing their skills and issuing the driving permit based on the true score ...
and allow those that pass with flying colors to take additional test for advanced skills and better insurance rates.
those that don't pass the basic test (computer is not biased nor feels sorry for anyone) ... they don't get to drive.

sitting at a driving test Ministry office back in the early 80's ( waiting for a friend to get a motorcycle permit) I saw one guy that could drive the wheels off a bike get Failed for being "too confident" by a tester ... another tester asked the first one why he failed the guy , his response was " I don't like his attitude and I'm going to fail him the next time he comes back" .... minutes later, a girl was crying for being Failed ( she drove over a side walk in a turn during her test and almost hit someone ) the tester felt sorry for her and changed it to a Pass and told her "try not to do it again" ....

the person she almost hit was me !

I am a better driver than the average person , I have the track "RACE License" to prove it .... BUT better doesn't mean faster , quicker , etc ... it means I am aware of my surroundings and drive according to conditions ... I leave room for my "escape" route , and still keep up with traffic ...
I signal my intentions and check to see if it is safe to do so ... I plan my route and know where I have to turn and what lane to be in.... ( they make maps and GPS units ) and lots of experience ( just ticked over the 2 million miles behind steering wheels ... that's 3 million KM up here )

Have I done stupid things ? YOU BET! ..... have I made mistakes? YES! ... but that is all included in "experience" because I "learned" from it.... just like most of the folks here ... ( ain't gonna do that again! )

I also recognize that I am older and have more limitations ( I heal slower and scars are not cool anymore) ....
 
   / Moronic drivers #75  
I work in a field where I do driving evaluations for patients of neurologist doctors to help determine if they are still safe for driving. Many older drivers especially those with medical conditions such as strokes, dementia, etc., are significantly challenged when it comes to driving safely. Often the person can continue to drive with restrictions, some are recommended to discontinue driving completely. I've been fussed at, argued with, called names and other insults by mostly men whom I've had to recommend cease driving. Everyone forgets that driving is a privilege not a right and if you can't safely drive then you are a danger to yourself and others.
 
   / Moronic drivers
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#76  
I work in a field where I do driving evaluations for patients of neurologist doctors to help determine if they are still safe for driving. Many older drivers especially those with medical conditions such as strokes, dementia, etc., are significantly challenged when it comes to driving safely. Often the person can continue to drive with restrictions, some are recommended to discontinue driving completely. I've been fussed at, argued with, called names and other insults by mostly men whom I've had to recommend cease driving. Everyone forgets that driving is a privilege not a right and if you can't safely drive then you are a danger to yourself and others.

YEAH.."OLDER DRIVERS" (emphasis added) sure point a finger at them as a group, then tell us why are so many incompetent YOUNG DRIVERS permitted to operate vehicles with NO restrictions?
 
   / Moronic drivers #77  
Don't get your panties in a wad. It just happens that a majority of the people I work with are older and have medical conditions. The younger folks are simply inexperienced and reckless. I can see you would be one of those argumentive type people that i try to help even though they won't accept it.
 
   / Moronic drivers #78  
Don't get your panties in a wad. It just happens that a majority of the people I work with are older and have medical conditions. The younger folks are simply inexperienced and reckless. I can see you would be one of those argumentative type people that i try to help even though they won't accept it.
I had one of those a few years ago. he couldn't shift a 18spd to save his life with the clutch. I suggested to him that he try shifting it without the clutch (so he could feel the gears meshing). He told me in no uncertain terms, "I always use the clutch". I told him he couldn't shift his way out of a wet paper bag. He tried blaming the truck, I drove it right after he said it was the truck and there was nothing wrong with it. (I very seldom use the clutch.) I told the boss when we got back to the yard, 'if you want to put a tranny in it, hire him. IF you don't want to spend the money on a tranny, then don't hire him. Your choice. He didn't get hired. I hate argumentative people
 
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#79  
Don't get your panties in a wad. It just happens that a majority of the people I work with are older and have medical conditions. The younger folks are simply inexperienced and reckless. I can see you would be one of those argumentive type people that i try to help even though they won't accept it.

You are right, if you spent more time here on TBN you would have learned by now that I am a stubborn, obnoxious, bullheaded, opinionated old fart...and I am d**n proud of it.
 
   / Moronic drivers #80  
You are right, if you spent more time here on TBN you would have learned by now that I am a stubborn, obnoxious, bullheaded, opinionated old fart...and I am d**n proud of it.

But still a alright guy!
 

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