Who builds Cabela's brand tractors?

[TomSeller]

Right. The only point I was making is the possibility of an in Frame overhaul with a sleved engine. Also faster rebuild times. Labour being the most expensive part of repairs. Then there is the possibility of catastrophic failure of say maybe a wrist pin which could gouge a cylinder past the point where the cylinder could be machined. It is not very common these days but you would have the safety of the sleeve there as a disposable part pull the damages sleeve replace with new and save the possibility of having to replace a block. Provided that you haven't damaged your crank shaft from a failed wrist pin which could easily shove a rod through the side of a case and then your S.O.L. any ways.

I had a cylinder liner fail causing a complete rebuild. The liner was put in by the previous owner, so it could have been the installer's fault or possibly a defective liner.

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[buickanddeere]

Try again. The Deere M was created to directly compete with the 8N...heck, they made a whole new factory just for that purpose (on 1465 acres rather than Fords 102 at Highland Park).

A new M was $1075 in 1952. A new 8N was $1404 in 1952.

Similar size, weight, power, number of production years, and yet the Ford that was 40% more expensive sold 10 times as many.

Who had more dealer coverage and a more recognized brand name? What ever became of that company that made the N series anyways. Broke, bought, sold and renamed how many times?

 

[GManBart]

Who had more dealer coverage and a more recognized brand name? What ever became of that company that made the N series anyways. Broke, bought, sold and renamed how many times?

First off, none of that has anything to do with your earlier comments that an 8N was a toy, or that you had no idea which tractor was less expensive back then. Second, it shows how little you know about tractor history. As a company, Deere was 80 years old when the very first Fordson tractors were sold. You think Deere was less known in agricultural circles after an 80yr head start????

Ford sold ten times as many 8Ns as Deere sold model Ms because the 8N was a more capable machine, even though it cost significantly more.

Anybody that calls an 8N a toy, or equates it to a garden tractor, either doesn't know what they're talking about, or is just trying to get other folks upset. As one of the millions of people who have owned, or used, an 8N, I know it's a real tractor capable of real farm work even at 60+ years old.

 

[TomSeller]

8N tractors are cool and very useful, even today. Same for the little grey Fergies. Many parts easily available. Good for pulling trailers, brush hogs. Kids and grandkids learning drive. All sorts of things.

 

[Arc weld]

Without the Ford/Ferguson deal, the 3pt. hitch might not have been named the most important innovation in farming. In fact it was so revolutionary that every other lower HP tractor manufacturer copied it and still does to this day. Other types of hitches were tried but none of them came remotely close to the success of the 3 pt. hitch. What was copied from a 1939 JD that is still modern today? What happened to Ford? They sold their tractor division to concentrate on their main division which is bigger than Deere. Deere AG sales were hurting but they had smart enough management to look at other markets that weren't so up and down. Hence they got into the commercial turf and golf course equipment business.

As far as engines without sleeves, I was talking about diesels in tractors 40 HP and up.

 

[buickanddeere]

Speaking of the Ferguson hitch being used on the Ford. Where would the N series be if the 3 point hitch had been on another tractor brand instead ? Where did the N series market share go once the Ferguson hitch deal imploded ?

 

[Arc weld]

Speaking of the Ferguson hitch being used on the Ford. Where would the N series be if the 3 point hitch had been on another tractor brand instead ? Where did the N series market share go once the Ferguson hitch deal imploded ?

Now you're talking what if's? The 9N was specifically designed for the 3 pt. and the rest is history. The hitch deal imploded with the introduction of the 8N. Ford did have to pay Ferguson $10,000,000 and redesign their 3 pt./hyd set up due to copyright infringement, on the 8N, but it was a drop in the bucket. Over 500,000 8N's were sold! Ford redesigned their 3 pt. and would become the number 2 selling tractor world wide for many years, while JD was number 4.

Here's a couple of question's for you. Why didn't JD come up with a better system than Ferguson's? How many lower HP tractors would JD have sold if they hadn't copied the 3pt. hitch?

 

[Cherokee140]

When one has painted himself into a box and there is no way out the only thing left to do is to start "well if...."

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

tidbit to add to the thread here.

In Kubota land (and some CNH) you don't see cylinder liners and even refurbished engines because the cost of a new drop in engine is about the same price and rebuilding one. Thats certainly the case over the entire Kubota line. There are very few rebuild options because a new drop in replacement is basically the same cost.

 

[Cherokee140]

tidbit to add to the thread here.

In Kubota land (and some CNH) you don't see cylinder liners and even refurbished engines because the cost of a new drop in engine is about the same price and rebuilding one. Thats certainly the case over the entire Kubota line. There are very few rebuild options because a new drop in replacement is basically the same cost.

Our throw-away world at work.