So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[k0ua]

Actually I believe it was Bill Murray, in Ghostbusters


Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Mayor: All right, all right! I get the point!

Bill Murray

 

[3930dave]

Bill Murray

Right era.... just the wrong guy .... thnx for helping my lousy memory :thumbsup:

(Totally extraneous drift..... I was attending a tech training conference years ago (aka, Death-By-Powerpoint)...... round about Day 3, two of the presenters were setting up for the first torture session of the day..... I got there early, and sat close to the front..... the two presenters were debating a nuance of a slide, while waiting for people to show up..... These guys never talked w/o using a laser pointer...... a voice drifts out of the back of the room, as this debate is going on...... "DON'T let the Beams Cross !".

His timing was perfect, and after about 3,000 powerpoint slides already that week..... I about fell off my chair I was laughing so hard.....

Plenty of classic great lines in that movie.....

Rgds, D.

 

[madmax12]

There are people that still believe that Earth was created 5000 or so years ago, is flat, it is a center of universe and the sun revolves around it. Oh I forgot they also believe that wrestling is real.
Those who believe that we have unlimited supply of oil are just kidding themselves. They need to explain one question. Why it is that oil companies have hard time to find new oil and are getting it places that are difficult and expensive to develop. I do a lot of jobs for Oil and Gas and have never heard of unlimited oil or gas supply. But I heard a lot of stories how expensive it is to find new oil and gas and exploit new finds.

Fossils are a curious thing. Sometimes, they even defy "settled" science. Consider Mary Schweitzer's comments in that regard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxkeWPCoaec


Consider how "settled" science only needs to investigate/test what it feels like testing/investigating. Settled science is "convenient" that way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szHNDAMfA0s

 

[Tollster]

So I have heard oil and gas are unlimited and renewable somewhere throughout this thread, with that being said... to argue those points will certainly lower ones self, so I'm relieved to cry UNCLE at this point.

Lets all pray its somatic!

 

[houstonscott]

So I have heard oil and gas are unlimited and renewable somewhere throughout this thread, with that being said... to argue those points will certainly lower ones self, so I'm relieved to cry UNCLE at this point. Lets all pray its somatic!

When we run out you can claim victory. HS

 

[Buggs67]

The Leaf is a one trick pony.

 

[BobRip]

There are people that still believe that Earth was created 5000 or so years ago, is flat, it is a center of universe and the sun revolves around it. Oh I forgot they also believe that wrestling is real.
Those who believe that we have unlimited supply of oil are just kidding themselves. They need to explain one question. Why it is that oil companies have hard time to find new oil and are getting it places that are difficult and expensive to develop. I do a lot of jobs for Oil and Gas and have never heard of unlimited oil or gas supply. But I heard a lot of stories how expensive it is to find new oil and gas and exploit new finds.

To your point, even if there is unlimited oil, which I doubt, it is getting harder and more expensive to find. You have to go farther out into the ocean and deeper underground. Unlimited does not help if it is too expensive to obtain.

 

[Pilot]

Of course oil is limited, but I suggest there is more out there than you might expect. Consider: Half the oil wells in the world are in the US. I doubt that half the oil is / was in the US. But it is easier to develop wells here because of our property rights laws. In many countries you don't own the mineral rights under your property. The government owns the rights. So who has the incentive to explore and develop? If you find a seepage, your incentive is to keep quiet so they don't come in and make a mess on your place.

In 1972, in the book "The Limits to Growth" the "experts" predicted we would be out of oil by the 1990's, & the peak oilers claimed an earlier date. But predictions of the end of oil coming soon have been going on since the 1920's and they were always wrong. The peak oil prediction came true only for the US, not the world, in about the 1970's because the US banned offshore drilling as a result of the Santa Barbara disaster and that was an artificial peak due to politics, not related to technology or actual reserves.

Also, 70% of the earth's surface is under the ocean. Mostly we have only explored around the edges. There's a lot more area that can be explored and developed as technology evolves.

In the US now, horizontal drilling, not fracking, is behind the boom. Fracking has been going on a long time. Horizontal drilling combined with fracking will get going some time in the future in other countries & they will become bigger producers than they are now. It's expensive and a price of around $100 per barrel is needed to keep it profitable. Same with tar sands, but those costs are coming down. Because of these costs, don't expect the price of gas to drop much.

It's the doom & gloom folks who get the headlines. Who predicted in 1990 that we would have an oil boom in the US by now? Hardly anybody. But plenty predicted the end of oil. And even as recently as 2005, did anyone predicting an oil boom get the headlines? Just about zero. Always be a skeptic when it comes to predictions, always. Especially the farther out they predict the more likely they are to be wrong.

Remember how Yogi Berra might have put it: "Don't trust predictions, especially about the future".

 

[Redneck in training]

It might be true that we will not run out of oil and gas anytime soon (in relation to human lifespan) but we are out of cheap oil and gas. And it will get worse. There is a good chance that energy storage will be improved in near future making electric cars cheaper and more practical. Then people could charge their cars from PV system on the house. Even small scale PV systems, at current cost, are already competitive with the cost of electricity production from fossil fuels. Exploitation of PV will make more fuel available for our tractors.

 

[ultrarunner]

Of course oil is limited, but I suggest there is more out there than you might expect. Consider: Half the oil wells in the world are in the US. I doubt that half the oil is / was in the US. But it is easier to develop wells here because of our property rights laws. In many countries you don't own the mineral rights under your property. The government owns the rights. So who has the incentive to explore and develop? If you find a seepage, your incentive is to keep quiet so they don't come in and make a mess on your place.

In 1972, in the book "The Limits to Growth" the "experts" predicted we would be out of oil by the 1990's, & the peak oilers claimed an earlier date. But predictions of the end of oil coming soon have been going on since the 1920's and they were always wrong. The peak oil prediction came true only for the US, not the world, in about the 1970's because the US banned offshore drilling as a result of the Santa Barbara disaster and that was an artificial peak due to politics, not related to technology or actual reserves.

Also, 70% of the earth's surface is under the ocean. Mostly we have only explored around the edges. There's a lot more area that can be explored and developed as technology evolves.

In the US now, horizontal drilling, not fracking, is behind the boom. Fracking has been going on a long time. Horizontal drilling combined with fracking will get going some time in the future in other countries & they will become bigger producers than they are now. It's expensive and a price of around $100 per barrel is needed to keep it profitable. Same with tar sands, but those costs are coming down. Because of these costs, don't expect the price of gas to drop much.

It's the doom & gloom folks who get the headlines. Who predicted in 1990 that we would have an oil boom in the US by now? Hardly anybody. But plenty predicted the end of oil. And even as recently as 2005, did anyone predicting an oil boom get the headlines? Just about zero. Always be a skeptic when it comes to predictions, always. Especially the farther out they predict the more likely they are to be wrong.

Remember how Yogi Berra might have put it: "Don't trust predictions, especially about the future".

Very good points...

When I was in school we had two rounds of gas rationing... my teachers were actually sad that by the time we would be young adults the world would run out of oil and combining that with the coming ice age... we just might all freeze to death... and that was if we were lucky and WWIII didn't get us first.

Taking that very seriously as any good student would has made me jaded on many subjects.

Local schools actually had archery and marksman program... and we would all pile into the back of coach's pickup to get a ride to the game...

Just because someone says something doesn't make it so... no matter who they are!