Is this right? I can tow MORE with a bumper pull than I can a Gooseneck?

   / Is this right? I can tow MORE with a bumper pull than I can a Gooseneck? #61  
If you were to get pulled over, what do they go by? I would assume that if it isn't listed on the truck, all they can do is make sure your under the legal requirements for cdl territory, and be sure the hitch/trailer/GVWR aren't exceeded. ???

DOT doesn't care about GCWR. it is a factory rating not a legal one. though if you are in an accident and found at fault i wonder if a lawyer could use that rating???

as for you slushbox (never heard juice until this thread) it is a 4R100, BTS makes a great one, so does John woods. a chip with a custom tow tune (ie. not banks) will help, as will an upgraded cooler (lots of guys use a 6.0 cooler)

as for your math "legally" you maybe right, but i would rather be safer with a GN than "legal" with a bumper pull
 
   / Is this right? I can tow MORE with a bumper pull than I can a Gooseneck? #63  
Do you know where to get those for other years?

Type in "2xxx ford trailer towing guide" and do a search on that. (Subsitute xxx for exact year)
Camper/Trailer Towing Guide - Ford Fleet will come up as result for what ever year you search on.
 
   / Is this right? I can tow MORE with a bumper pull than I can a Gooseneck? #64  
With a 14k 20' bumper pull behind my 2004 Chevy 2500HD, my limiting factor is GAWR. I have to watch the load on my rear axle. I have free access to scales and have verified this. So I use a WD hitch when hauling anything more than a car on this trailer. It not only keeps me legal but it can make a fully loaded trailer drag like I'm running empty. A little bit of time learning to us a WD hitch is easily worth it when you consider the value of your load and the value of every other person on the road.
 
   / Is this right? I can tow MORE with a bumper pull than I can a Gooseneck?
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#65  
What do people with dump trailers do?

A lot of times with a dump trailer, you have a heavy load on the tongue, then when you dump it you have very little, until you fill it up again.

So, would you guys that use WD hitches use them with a dump? And if so, do they need to be adjusted for the load, or is it one of those things that you set and forget, regardless of the load?
 
   / Is this right? I can tow MORE with a bumper pull than I can a Gooseneck? #66  
I don't, Piston. I have use of a rice 14' dump trailer I use for hauling various grades of chat and rock. Wet 3/4 minus is heavy! But the limestone quarry is just a few miles from the house. I've grossed as high as 26000, but try to keep it at around 22000. Yes, before the Saftey cops start. I know I'm over. Know I wouldn't want to head out on a long trip with that, but local I'm fine. I also run to the rent house and row crop farm which is 15 miles or so away. I don't have trouble with sway or the like running highway speeds. It's just something you got to figure. I know guys that haul campers with one tons that don't use them. I am thinking about purchasing one for our travel trailer which is around 33 foot. I'm gonna run it to the lake while home this time to see how this new truck handles it without. I pulled it with my old half ton with a equializer hitch. LUTT
 
   / Is this right? I can tow MORE with a bumper pull than I can a Gooseneck? #67  
DOT doesn't care about GCWR. it is a factory rating not a legal one. though if you are in an accident and found at fault i wonder if a lawyer could use that rating???

as for you slushbox (never heard juice until this thread) it is a 4R100, BTS makes a great one, so does John woods. a chip with a custom tow tune (ie. not banks) will help, as will an upgraded cooler (lots of guys use a 6.0 cooler)

as for your math "legally" you maybe right, but i would rather be safer with a GN than "legal" with a bumper pull
Along those lines it is apparently impossible determine what State DOT's require.
I'll save you a LOT of time. There is no unified set of rules concerning state transportation regulation. I am a member of MAASTO, an organization trying to harmonize state regulations for motor carriers. It is very difficult to achieve harmonization because some states regulations are legislated by statute and changing the rules literally means an act of congress is required.
Your question is particularly hard to answer because some state enforce differently than regulated. What this means is you could contact a state's DOT and have them tell you the actual law and what is required, then contact that states Vehicle Enforcement Division and they may tell you otherwise because they simply don't enforce this or that.

To further complicate this, you may have a trailer rated for less than the combined rating of the axles. My Stiger trailer is a perfect example. It has 7,000lb axles, but the trailer is only rated for 9,500lbs.

I would recommend contacting each states Vehicle Enforcement Division prior to traveling if you have any questions because they are the guys on the street enforcing the rules and the ones you are more likely to have to be explaining yourself to.

P.S. if you find a web link claiming to have each states regulations listed for motor carriers DO NOT TRUST IT. THEY ARE ALL WRONG! This is a fact.

from my thread http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/trailers-transportation/312236-tongue-weight-ii-states-regs.html


What do people with dump trailers do?

A lot of times with a dump trailer, you have a heavy load on the tongue, then when you dump it you have very little, until you fill it up again.

So, would you guys that use WD hitches use them with a dump? And if so, do they need to be adjusted for the load, or is it one of those things that you set and forget, regardless of the load?
Or what do YOU do when you haul a 9k load 900 miles and then deadhead back?
I swap out my Equalizer hitch (up to 14K) with a standard Reese w/6K ball.
 
   / Is this right? I can tow MORE with a bumper pull than I can a Gooseneck? #68  
So, would you guys that use WD hitches use them with a dump? And if so, do they need to be adjusted for the load, or is it one of those things that you set and forget, regardless of the load?

If the trailer is un-weighted, the WD hitch can make the back end of the tow vehicle light, compromising handling. There was an old TV commercial where they showed a car driving without its rear axle, just supported by the torque of a WD system to a trailer.

What I would do in that case would be to just remove the torsion bars. The WD head will work just fine as a ball mount without the bars. Once the trailer was loaded, I would put the bars back in.
 
   / Is this right? I can tow MORE with a bumper pull than I can a Gooseneck? #69  
Interesting thread. I always thought that you'd be able to pull more with a goose neck trailer.

Chad
 
   / Is this right? I can tow MORE with a bumper pull than I can a Gooseneck? #70  
What do people with dump trailers do?

A lot of times with a dump trailer, you have a heavy load on the tongue, then when you dump it you have very little, until you fill it up again.

So, would you guys that use WD hitches use them with a dump? And if so, do they need to be adjusted for the load, or is it one of those things that you set and forget, regardless of the load?

My dump trailer is a 16' gooseneck. It pulls fine loaded or empty. :drink:
 

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