Is this right? I can tow MORE with a bumper pull than I can a Gooseneck?

[Diamondpilot]

Anyone ever noticed that all posters promoting goosenecks drive single axle trucks. If pushing the weight limit a gooseneck will help a lot.
A 3500 dual rear wheel just does not need it until 12,000 pounds or more. Why lose bed space and haul extra 1500 lb unless you need to.

The problem is there is no single perfect truck. While a Dually is nice for towing it sucks for every other task.

It's all a compromise. I have had them all by all 5 brands starting with my 1996 GMC Dually and I wish it was just that easy.

For me we are a 3 vehicle family. A Mid Size SUV, a 4x4 Crew Cab 1/2 ton, and a SRW 1 ton 4x4 Diesel.

If I had to go to one vehicle hands down it would be a Crew Cab 4x4 short bed 1 ton diesel. I would just live with its short comings because it does more stuff good than it does bad.

Chris

 

[lutt]

I promote goosenecks to a point, most people on here don't need them. I do. I would rather hook to a bumper pull, but for most things I haul, there is length issues, and weight also. That's is where my gooseneck shines. But I draw the line at a dual rear wheel pickup. I have drove one for day to day driving before and they are not practical at all for that. That is why you don't see many of us driving them. I'll take a single rear wheel truck any day. I agree with Chris, a single rear short bed cc in a one ton is great. I just happen to have a 3/4 ton at the moment. It's kinda like the diesel truck argument, there not for most. But a gasser won't do the work I need from a truck as well as a diesel. Cost factor aside, but really, who buys a 4wd cc any truck for fuel milage that works one everyday, it's not there. Highway, maybe, hauling and towing, it's not there. Sorry about the rant. Carry on. LUTT

 

[newbury]

What's the GCVWR rating? You might be above the rated tow capacity with a 16K trailer. My 2002 max tow capacity is rated at 12,500 lbs. according to published specs. And I've a 11.5K GVWR.

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I'm confused by this thread.
I found a Ford year 2000 trailer towing guide on line (couldn't find 1999)
According to the 2000 guide the F-350 is available with a GVWR of 9,900 lbs. in all configurations.
This guide says as follows:
Rear step bumper hitch with WDH max trailer 10,000 lbs and max tongue weight of 1,000 lbs.
Rear step bumper without WDH max trailer 5,000 lbs and max tongue weight 500 lbs.
Moreover, further in this guide it lists maximum trailer weight conventional towing for the F-350 as 10,000 lbs. It also lists the GCWR as 20,000 lbs for all models with Diesel engines.
However, in the fifth wheel section maximum trailer weight is listed between 12,600 and 13,400 depending on cab style and whether 4x2 or 4x4.
So, it appears to me that unless the fifth wheel trailer weighs 2,500 to 3,000 lbs more than the bumper pull, the fifth wheel will haul more.
The OP says his tow vehicle weighs 7,700 and GVWR is 9,900 lbs leaving 2,200 lbs for fifth wheel hitch weight. A 13,000 lb. fifth wheel @ 20% = 2,600 lbs. @ 15% = 1,950 hitch weight. So somewhere around 17% hitch weight would put him at max GVWR and give him a 3,000 lb heavier trailer plus load than a bumper pull using a WDH.

Couldn't you read the link I posted?
From trailerlife magazine.
It shows bumper pull up to 12,500 lbs.

here's a page

 

[CJONE]

I'll have to agree with Lutt and Chris, having both dual rear wheel trucks and single I found myself using the singles for most everything. If I was pulling a large camper all the time the dually would be my first choice but like was stated they are not very user friendly for most everything else. Heck even the large class 7 and 8 trucks are converting over to single tires. Google super singles. CJ

 

[two_bit_score]

Good thread.

 

[texas42]

Couldn't you read the link I posted?
From trailerlife magazine.
It shows bumper pull up to 12,500 lbs.

here's a page View attachment 379818

I looked at your attachment which was for 2002 Ford vehicles
The OP stated he had a 1999.
Ford has various GVWRs in 2002 that go up to 11,500 lbs for a F-350 and you are correct in 2002 does allow a bumper pull up to 12,500 lbs with WDH.
I was just trying to get as close to the OP's vehicle as possible.
The GVWR for model year 1999 and 2000 appear very similar as they both list max. GVWR of 9,900. Lbs.

 

[newbury]

I'// try 1 more time:

What's the GCVWR rating? You might be above the rated tow capacity with a 16K trailer. My 2002 max tow capacity is rated at 12,500 lbs. according to published specs. And I've a 11.5K GVWR.

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Texas - did you read the LINK?
View attachment 1999-tow-ratings.pdf
it doesn't seem to separate out bumperpull.

In my haste to reply I copied from the wrong file. I've the trailer life's files back to '99.

hopefully this will work - I have to do a screen print.

I looked at your attachment which was for 2002 Ford vehicles
The OP stated he had a 1999.
Ford has various GVWRs in 2002 that go up to 11,500 lbs for a F-350 and you are correct in 2002 does allow a bumper pull up to 12,500 lbs with WDH.
I was just trying to get as close to the OP's vehicle as possible.
The GVWR for model year 1999 and 2000 appear very similar as they both list max. GVWR of 9,900. Lbs.

 

[Piston]

I think that is saying that my tow capacity would be 13,500lbs if I'm reading it correctly

 

[texas42]

I'// try 1 more time:


Texas - did you read the LINK?
View attachment 379849
it doesn't seem to separate out bumperpull.

In my haste to reply I copied from the wrong file. I've the trailer life's files back to '99.

hopefully this will work - I have to do a screen print.
View attachment 379851

Ok, I'll try one more time.
My info came directly from Ford.
Type in 2xxx ford trailer towing guide and do a search on that. (xxx for year)
Camper/Trailer Towing Guide - Ford Fleet will come up as result for what ever year you search on.
I would be more inclined to go with Ford's literature that a third party's

 

[texas42]

Here is a link to Ford's Trailer Towing Guide for model year 2000
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/2000/BBCAMPER.PDF