My dogs killed neighbors chicken

[k0ua]

Wrong. Missouri has the Castle Doctrine in place since 2007. Essentially that means you as a resident of the property, has no duty to retreat from the bad "guy" before using deadly force. And a usual sub-clause in most of those that if a person is on your property illegally, they can't sue the owner for any injury. The Missouri legislature was working in April to extend that to your guests as well.

Oh, I know, as I said "not where I live and not where you live" but in many jurisdictions, but in many countries and increasingly in some of our big metro areas, burglars have rights. Here in Missouri, they have the right to remain silent..

 

[Sigarms]

Wrong. Missouri has the Castle Doctrine in place since 2007. Essentially that means you as a resident of the property, has no duty to retreat from the bad "guy" before using deadly force. And a usual sub-clause in most of those that if a person is on your property illegally, they can't sue the owner for any injury. The Missouri legislature was working in April to extend that to your guests as well.

Just remember that even though you may not have a legal duty to retreat prior to TRYING to use deadly force, sometimes it's the best tactic to save lives, particularly of loved ones. Personally, I'll give an intruder every chance to leave ASAP before getting into a possible gun battle.

 

[Sigarms]

SIGH ! Has anyone noticed that the orginal poster has NOT responded to any comments?Maybe he or she wants to stir the chit pot to rile folks up?Just saying?

Did you notice that by all accounts, the OP's dog/dogs killed the neighbors chicken and all the OP did was leave the chicken on the neighbors property without even a note giving the circumstances? The neighbor is wrong for having their chickens wonder onto another owners property, but the chicken ends up dead on your property, either keep the chicken and don't say anything (part of the 3 S method), or if you're going to return the carcass, leave a note explaining what happened (it's the right thing to do IMO). Two wrongs don't make a right, even if you didn't commit the first wrong.

I'm guessing this thread has gone no where along the lines where the OP wanted it to go.

 

[dave1949]

At 267 posts since March 2003, dfeck is not the talkative type.

In the OP's defense, he did say no one was home when he left the chicken carcass, and he intended to talk to the neighbor that evening.

 

[DarkBlack]

A new woman neighbor comes to meet someone, and the thread morphs to people here talking about when you can use deadly force, etc...:jester:

If nothing else, I got a kick out of the OP's name- Defect.

 

[Sigarms]

In the OP's defense, he did say no one was home when he left the chicken carcass, and he intended to talk to the neighbor that evening.

I agree, however, place yourself in the neighbor's shoes with the dead chicken. Do you know that the person who dropped off the dead chicken is coming back to let you know what happened? Anytime you leave something at your neighbors house (be it a dead chicken or anything else lol) and they aren't home, it's usually good practice to at least leave a note with whatever your dropping off so there is no chance for miscommunication.

I do think the OP is between a rock and a hard place. Just the fact that the new neighbor has no problems with letting their kids driving a motorcyle in what I guess is a small area of land which let's thier neighbors get the "full effect" of the sound of the bike without asking the neighbors first shows little concern of what their neighbors think.

But…having your dog bite the new neighbor while the neighbor is on your property along with the fact that your dogs killed the neighbors chicken doesn't really start things off on a good foot (even though both events were not the OP's fault to begin with).

General rule we have is if our dogs our outside, we're outside with them supervising them, unless they are in the fenced in area where they can't get to anything, nor can anything get to them.

 

[dave1949]

I agree, however, place yourself in the neighbor's shoes with the dead chicken. Do you know that the person who dropped off the dead chicken is coming back to let you know what happened? Anytime you leave something at your neighbors house (be it a dead chicken or anything else lol) and they aren't home, it's usually good practice to at least leave a note with whatever your dropping off so there is no chance for miscommunication.

I do think the OP is between a rock and a hard place. Just the fact that the new neighbor has no problems with letting their kids driving a motorcyle in what I guess is a small area of land which let's thier neighbors get the "full effect" of the sound of the bike without asking the neighbors first shows little concern of what their neighbors think.

But…having your dog bite the new neighbor while the neighbor is on your property along with the fact that your dogs killed the neighbors chicken doesn't really start things off on a good foot (even though both events were not the OP's fault to begin with).

General rule we have is if our dogs our outside, we're outside with them supervising them, unless they are in the fenced in area where they can't get to anything, nor can anything get to them.

I think that sums up the situation.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

She was told not to trespass and did. And got bit on the OP's property. IMO, totally her fault. IF you go to the zoo and climb in the pen with the wolves and get bit, is it the zoo's fault even though there are signs and warnings telling you not to? Yes in today's broken society. Wolves are an "attractive nuisance" so the zoo will lose.

Reminds me of the one where a burglar broke into someone's house, cut themselves on a kitchen knife or something, and sued the homeowner and won. Yes it happens everyday, see the recent thread of one of our Aussie bretheren. Maybe not where I live or where you live, but in many jurisdictions the burglar has rights. And one of those rights is to make a living without getting hurt by careless homeowners.

Again, its the sue-happy society we live in, where everyone is looking for a quick payday. YEP!

Thank God for castle laws. Around here it is a known fact if you get caught in someones house, you probably aren't leaving in an upright position. Sherrifs are cool with that. Dog bites, another story...

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Just remember that even though you may not have a legal duty to retreat prior to TRYING to use deadly force, sometimes it's the best tactic to save lives, particularly of loved ones. Personally, I'll give an intruder every chance to leave ASAP before getting into a possible gun battle.

Why? So they can come back later ? I do not advocate violence, am not a violent person. But, cross the line ...

 

[DarkBlack]

Deadly force kids? This thread is about a new neighbor. A woman at that. I get a kick put of you guys pumping-up your keyboard fingers here.