Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on?

   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #31  
With the ever increasing amount of junk they are required to fit into smaller and smaller engine bays and the need in multiple computer systems to monitor and control engine systems and emissions, it is no wonder it is getting harder to work on anything yourself. I have turned my own wrenches for almost 40 years, worked my summers with a mechanic when I was 10, I will work on my car but I don't want a new car. My2003 Chevy 2500HD is about to hit 300k miles, I have no problem working on it for the things I can do. Toni's 2009 Infinity G37s I won't touch, not even to change the oil on.

My 2001 BMW 740i was one of the most technologically advanced cars ever made, it was so far out there it even monitored incoming air to the cabin for noxious fumes and would recirculate cabin air and shut down outside air if fumes were present. Yet it was the easiest car to work on I have ever owned. A few months after back surgery I replaced the water pump, radiator and the rest of the cooling system by myself. It was that easy. By looking at the engine bay you would think it would be a nightmare. Everything on thatcar was super easy to do, you just had to know how to do it.
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The difference in the BMW and the Infinity is intelligent engineering, the BMW had service and repair in mind when it was made, the Infinity did not.

How many miles do you have on your BMW? Nice car!
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #32  
Jack, is your '03 Chevy a gas or diesel? I have an '03 with the Duramax. Love that truck, do most of the work on it myself, in fact, just ordered an intermediate steering shaft to hopefully, get rid of that annoying clunking.

6.0 liter gas, the thing is a brute. I hauled about 250 gallons of water this morning in the bed and it didn't even faze it. We bought it to work, and it hasn't disappointed, I will rebuild this truck as long as I can, it is our farm truck and thou we are just getting started, we picked the right truck for the job. Mine clunks too, I think thy all do, there is a rebuild kit for it but I doubt I will do it, I don't mind it and done even notice it much.

How many miles do you have on your BMW? Nice car!

It had 87k when I sold it a few months ago. I spent 3 years and a lot of money and time rebuilding it to be like new. The old guy who bought it got a steal of a deal. When I started on it I had no plans on ever selling, but when we bought the property in the country, with dirt roads, I couldn't drive it out there wihout destroying what I had done. It was better to let someone else enjoy it and not ruin all my hard work. The E38 was one of the best BMW's ever made.
 
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   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #33  
Jack, is your '03 Chevy a gas or diesel? I have an '03 with the Duramax. Love that truck, do most of the work on it myself, in fact, just ordered an intermediate steering shaft to hopefully, get rid of that annoying clunking.

This "annoying clunking" does it happen lets say, after stopping at a stop light and when the light turns green, you let up on the brake and then it clunks. Is that what you are talking about?
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #34  
The intermediate shaft in my 2004 Chevy I could feel it in the steering wheel when it clunked and mine did it most in sharp turns to the right.
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #35  
This "annoying clunking" does it happen lets say, after stopping at a stop light and when the light turns green, you let up on the brake and then it clunks. Is that what you are talking about?

My 2005 2500hd 6.0L did exactly what your saying, never bothered me much, and never fixed. It's sold now.
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #36  
As I understand it, and my information could be wrong, there is a bushing in there that is supposed to help silence the the sound from the joint, but the bushing degrades and no longer quietens the sound. Has zero impact on steering safety just an annoyance. It is the only rattle mine makes, everything else is tight.

My 03 was originally an AT&T service truck, and from the records, appears to have been a one driver vehicle and was taken very good care of. The interior is even clean and spot free, no plastic trauma. I even got the Dimensions 2400 watt converter and the fully enclosed Brand FX topper with it. It was a good score.

I have no worries about working on it, for the most part. Other than than the computers it isn't much different than my previous Chevy trucks. I do not want a new one, I prefer to do my own work on my vehicles, at least for as long as I can. A new vehicle is a financial loss, every time you buy one.
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #37  
My 2005 2500hd 6.0L did exactly what your saying, never bothered me much, and never fixed. It's sold now.

It's a preload condition in the drive train.
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #38  
First off, the clunking. The intermediate shaft will fix it. Its the most common complaint on the Silverados as far as the noise your talking about. If it is, in fact, related to take-off, like someone else mentioned, grease the slip-joint on the driveshaft.

Second, bring your ecoboost to my shop, I'll fix it for ya. ;) I'm a "self-trained" mechanic at an independent shop. Some mechanics like to swindle people out of money, and some just enjoy what they do enough to keep up with the times and technology. You have to find someone that meets the latter.

As far as the newer vehicles. Most people in this thread have nailed it. The newer vehicles are required by the government to achieve a certain economy rating or be below a certain emissions threshold. They achieve this with both size/weight of the vehicle itself (smaller engine compartment) and larger amounts of technology running the engine (more gadgets, computers, etc). Its not just the auto makers to blame. Not saying they don't have something to do with it, but they are reacting to a certain degree. It would have been cheaper in the beginning for them to have stuck with the old steel chassis'ed, carbureted gas hogs of yester-year. Think of all of the money that went into engineering and retooling the plants to create the new bodies and engines to meet these standards...

And saying that the manufacturers do this on purpose, thats right and wrong. They don't just want to say "ha ha, you can't work on this, bring your wallet to us". When you buy a car, you are provided a warranty. They are standing behind their product. If you start messing with what they have created, altering things, why should they have to stand behind it if you've wrenched on it and broken something? False warranty claims account for a very large loss of revenue (I would assume) for auto makers. I just got into this debate on a cell phone modification forum the other day as well. People complaining about "we bought the phone, why can't we modify it". Yet people also complain all the time "my phone won't turn on anymore, how can I erase my tracks so I can take it back to verizon and get a new one". See what I mean?

So I think the manufacturers did a pretty decent job all-in-all. They did their best to make a product that can't be modified and worked on too much, but normally will last at least as long as its warranty period before needing much work, if any at all. Nobody is perfect though, I agree there are some things that they missed on. Some designs are far from perfect...

To the OP, I understand your frustration. Your not alone. The majority of late model vehicles (smaller, non-truck models at least) require intake or other major components to be removed. One reason for this is: The farther the air can travel inside the plenum, the better the vortex is created to atomize the fuel when it hits the combustion chamber, hence the large chambers on top of the motor. Ford and other various models took this a step farther and created a system that allows shorter chambers for certain engine loads, and butterfly valves that would open and divert air through longer passageways for other load demands, giving multiple options for optimum power and torque. Therefore increasing engine efficiency, satisfying the government stipulations. BUT, also increasing the demand for computer space, wiring, relays, actuators, etc, to run the entire system. See where things start multiplying?

It seems they are out to get you, and sometimes they kinda are I'm sure. But there are more reasons behind it than what allot of people realize. Food for thought.
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #39  
Spark plug , you need to change them?

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   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #40  
Ridge, I love ye '67 Olds! I almost stopped working on my vehicles around '85. Give me the inline sixes. I changed the oil and filter one time on my '79 Mercury Zephyr in a dress shirt and tie! All from above! That thing went about 200,000 hard miles. I reckon we have to budget a heap more for our transportation nowadays.

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