So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[houstonscott]

Science and facts are missing...repeated it doesn't make it true. It's your dream, make it as big as you want. Labeling someone a " left nut battery car proponent" because he has referenced information that contradicts baseless/biased statements. Name calling has no place in this discussion. Left, right, middle has nothing to do with it and why would you throw in the GW thing again as it has produced discussion that has closed many threads. Go by the rules of this board. I refrained from posting the latest GW report and think your head is in the sand while you think I'm not a patriotic American and crazy. Please respect the rules on this board and refrain from attempted insults. It makes it appear that you lack substance in your argument. At least you didn't compare a possible advance in battery capacity to the modern diesel engine. Loren

Then you agree, when logic and honesty are applied to the electric vehicle, the only conclusion is they are not really practical, they are political. HS

 

[DarkBlack]

Science and facts are missing...repeated it doesn't make it true. It's your dream, make it as big as you want. Labeling someone a " left nut battery car proponent" because he has referenced information that contradicts baseless/biased statements. Name calling has no place in this discussion. Left, right, middle has nothing to do with it and why would you throw in the GW thing again as it has produced discussion that has closed many threads. Go by the rules of this board. I refrained from posting the latest GW report and think your head is in the sand while you think I'm not a patriotic American and crazy. Please respect the rules on this board and refrain from attempted insults. It makes it appear that you lack substance in your argument. At least you didn't compare a possible advance in battery capacity to the modern diesel engine. Loren

C'mon Loren, Stop trying to buy time with all the diversions.

What's the average range of a battery car @ -25C driving though snow with snow tires, while keeping the cabin warm?

Surely you don't post all your 'stuff' here without being able to answer a straight up important question?

 

[sld]

Prepare yourself for a deluge of cut and paste diversions.

 

[woodlandfarms]

Looks like a 25 to 50% loss of battery life. In a nissan leaf, this puts you into the 50 mile or less range from what I understand. If you have a Tesla, which has a much beefier battery your range is much more, but still depleted.

I read an article that said the greater concern for EV drivers in the severe cold was not the reduced range but the loss of power when charging. Apparently the grid is lost quite frequently in those cold storms.

But that all being said, Doesn't -25C gel diesel? Then I realized you wrote C, no F. What first world cities get -25C on a regular basis? Just asking.

Being a greenie I guess (well, earth conscious maybe?) I am less concerned about cars and the polution. New gas engines are really dropping the emission levels to next to nothing. And as I noted before the diesel electric might just be the stop gap for new car manufacturing until someone truly makes a decent battery.

I think power generation is the real issue now. Coal has got to go. Same with Fracking. But also, the US has to get tough on other countries that don't step up to the clean air plate and by that virtue can produce product at a much lower rate.

 

[ultrarunner]

Another Leaf added today to the employee parking lot...

Say what you will... folks that could afford to drive any car they want are buying electrics in the SF Bay Area.

Just waiting for this thread to hit 30,000 views.

Wonder if the folks at Nissan are following?

 

[houstonscott]

Another Leaf added today to the employee parking lot... Say what you will... folks that could afford to drive any car they want are buying electrics in the SF Bay Area. Just waiting for this thread to hit 30,000 views. Wonder if the folks at Nissan are following?

My experience with people in the Bay Area is they can't afford much of anything, it's all they can do to get into a home. The Bay Area you are portraying ended in the late 1990's, those that didn't leave then got stuck and had to stay. It's sad place, a bunch of people talking home prices and planning their escape. HS

 

[Loren49]

Then you agree, when logic and honesty are applied to the electric vehicle, the only conclusion is they are not really practical, they are political. HS

You're making up things again! Not what I said or implied. Each individual has a right to decide what is best for him/her. Not an unreasonable concept. They are not practical for me at this time but I will not minimize others ability to look at their own situation. There are situations where it would be the preferred choice for me.

Loren

 

[Loren49]

C'mon Loren, Stop trying to buy time with all the diversions.

What's the average range of a battery car @ -25C driving though snow with snow tires, while keeping the cabin warm?

Surely you don't post all your 'stuff' here without being able to answer a straight up important question?

Not an important question for me as I do not intend to own an EV in that climate. The answer depends on how warm you need to be, the terrain, the specific vehicle and how you drive. I'd suggest some work on your part investigating research on the topic. Of course you could just keep listening to and repeating opinions.

Loren

 

[Loren49]

Prepare yourself for a deluge of cut and paste diversions.

Are you afraid of information and maybe a few facts or do you put more weight on unsubstantiated opinions and claims?

Loren:confused2:

 

[Citydude]

Looks like a 25 to 50% loss of battery life. In a nissan leaf, this puts you into the 50 mile or less range from what I understand. If you have a Tesla, which has a much beefier battery your range is much more, but still depleted.

I read an article that said the greater concern for EV drivers in the severe cold was not the reduced range but the loss of power when charging. Apparently the grid is lost quite frequently in those cold storms.

But that all being said, Doesn't -25C gel diesel? Then I realized you wrote C, no F. What first world cities get -25C on a regular basis? Just asking.

Being a greenie I guess (well, earth conscious maybe?) I am less concerned about cars and the polution. New gas engines are really dropping the emission levels to next to nothing. And as I noted before the diesel electric might just be the stop gap for new car manufacturing until someone truly makes a decent battery.

I think power generation is the real issue now. Coal has got to go. Same with Fracking. But also, the US has to get tough on other countries that don't step up to the clean air plate and by that virtue can produce product at a much lower rate.

Why do people in Wa state think that coal is evil? The technologies are there to clean it at the stack. Geez, :confused3: