So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[Loren49]

Your articles don't sight one subsidy, but are liberal drivel, did you read the trash you linked too? Tax breaks are NOT subsidies! Our form of government is setup to protect our property, and businesses, not control our lives ( we are free), unlike all other governments before us, ours is different, not sure you understand that, your argument is bogus. Governments don't pay oil companies, that's propaganda. If you google government Prius purchases you'll find your proof of my assertion, there are thousands. THE GOVERNMENT PURCHASED 300 NEW PRIUS HS

One example of 300 hybrids does not support your claim of " most" EVs...so far zero EVs.

It is a fact that the pump price is way below the true costs. The facts are clear...calculating the exact cost is a challenge. A tax break costs tax payers the same a direct subdidies. Illness caused by pollution costs all of us. It is not rational to reject information because you don't like the source or its evidence.

http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/What is a fossil fuel subsidy?
A fossil fuel subsidy is any government action that lowers the cost of fossil fuel energy production, raises the price received by energy producers or lowers the price paid by energy consumers. There are a lot of activities under this simple definition—tax breaks and giveaways, but also loans at favorable rates, price controls, purchase requirements and a whole lot of other things.

How much money does the U.S. government provide to support the oil, gas and coal industries?

In the United States, credible estimates of annual fossil fuel subsidies range from $10 billion to $52 billion annually yet these don’t even include costs borne by taxpayers related to the climate, local environmental, and health impacts of the fossil fuel industry.

I paste so there is less reason to avoid the information.

Loren

 

[Loren49]

I see Loren49 is still copy and pasting feverishly as usual, but it looks like the intellectual quality of the copied material has taken a hit lately .

Why not find something p to refute the information. Attempting to insult serves no useful purpose. If you don't like reading skip or block my posts..I'd appreciate it. I'm way too old to be intimidated by your words. Do some work and find some factual information.

Noone needs to read a post. Posting information is not arguing in my view, its discussing and maybe along the way we learn something new. Posted
facts that contradict an opinion should be welcome to mature adults.:thumbsup:


Loren

 

[Loren49]

Energy subsidiesEnergy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia subsidies are measures that keep prices for consumers below market levels or for producers above market levels, or reduce costs for consumers and producers.[citation needed] Energy subsidies may be direct cash transfers to producers, consumers, or related bodies, as well as indirect support mechanisms, such as tax exemptions and rebates, price controls, trade restrictions, and limits on market access. They may also include energy conservation subsidies.[citation needed] The development of today's major modern energy industries have all relied on substantial subsidy support.

Fossil fuel subsidies reached $90 billion in the OECD and over $500 billion globally in 2011.[1] Renewable energy subsidies reached $88 billion in 2011.[2] According to Fatih Birol, Chief Economist at the International Energy Agency without a phasing out of fossil fuel subsidies, we will not reach our climate targets.[3]


Tax breaks are considered subsidies by academia.

Loren

 

[duckgeek]

16+ month update on my leased Leaf (charged nightly via 110v standard outlet in my garage):

Total maintenance: 2 tire rotations, 2 updates to the programming, no charge. One warranty AC repair. 16,300 miles.
Total costs: $2,000 down. $122 per month. 4 miles per Kwh @ ~$0.09 per Kwh (hydro) = ~ $367 in electricity.
TCO = ~$0.23/mi (applying the 2k amortized over 24 months, or $83.33 per month)

Compact gas car with similar lease @ $3.75/ga and 37.5 mpg (for ez math) would be approximately $0.30/mi.

$0.07 * 16,300 = $1,141 saved to date (plus incidentals like oil changes). If I use up all of my lease miles it will lead to $1,680 in savings over a comparable gas car (like the Versa). It has been an enjoyable experiment to date and the car is fun to drive.

Well, them's the facts. Now please return to your partisan bickering and shilling.

 

[houstonscott]

Energy subsidiesEnergy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia subsidies are measures that keep prices for consumers below market levels or for producers above market levels, or reduce costs for consumers and producers.[citation needed] Energy subsidies may be direct cash transfers to producers, consumers, or related bodies, as well as indirect support mechanisms, such as tax exemptions and rebates, price controls, trade restrictions, and limits on market access. They may also include energy conservation subsidies.[citation needed] The development of today's major modern energy industries have all relied on substantial subsidy support. Fossil fuel subsidies reached $90 billion in the OECD and over $500 billion globally in 2011.[1] Renewable energy subsidies reached $88 billion in 2011.[2] According to Fatih Birol, Chief Economist at the International Energy Agency without a phasing out of fossil fuel subsidies, we will not reach our climate targets.[3] Tax breaks are considered subsidies by academia. Loren

Academia what a joke, their never right. HS

 

[houstonscott]

Liberals

LOL

HS

 

[Loren49]

Academia what a joke, their never right. HS

Proper usage...what a joke..... there, their or they're ( they are).....Education and information..facts...such a waste. I just couldn't resist. :thumbsup:

 

[Loren49]

Liberals

LOL

HS

"Bright Source Energy, the company operating the plant, is petitioning the California government, requesting permission to burn more natural gas and to emit 94,749 more tons of carbon dioxide per year. That’s the equivalent of emissions from about 16,500 automobiles.

…

If the permit is approved, then this “solar” plant will produce about 35 percent of its electricity from fossil fuels.

So this plant produces 65% of its power by directing sunlight by mirrors to boil water. If 35% by natural gas produces 94,749 tons of CO2 then it saves an amount of natural gas that would produce an additional 175,962 tons of CO2 in the at nonmosphere.
World
Not an insignificant amount.

Concentrated solar power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CSP growth is expected to continue at a fast pace. As of January 2014, Spain had a total capacity of 2,204 MW making this country the world leader in CSP. Interest is also notable in North Africa and the Middle East, as well as India and China.

So a relatively simple concept of boiling water by sunlight is saving a nonrenewable for later. Thanks for the information.

Loren

 

[Pilot]

A tax break or subsidy, whichever you choose to call it, for the fossil fuel producers is the same as a subsidy for an electric car--it lowers someone's cost. They are all the same. And one may argue there is a social benefit to subsidizing the cost of an electric car, so there is also a social benefit to subsidizing the cost of fossil fuel. Fossil fuel allows our economy to thrive.

BTW, "subsidies" for oil companies in the form of tax breaks are available to any business--deductions for various costs of any sorts. I have found only one, the oil depletion allowance that is unique to oil companies, but it is similar to depreciation of other assets for other kinds of businesses.

Lastly, the 29 miles per day, or whatever it was, cited for average usage is such a simplification that it is also misleading if one believes that the "average" driver only needs a car that goes that far. I drive my pickup about 10,000 miles per year, which works out to just over 27 miles per day. But it is 63 miles round trip to the chiropractor's, another 9 miles round trip to visit my grandson, plus several more miles to run errands that I put off until I'm in the metro area, meaning that on those days I may drive close to 100 miles and zero miles on other days. My son only commutes 12 miles each way, but uses that car to travel to eastern Oregon, easily 200 miles round trip, for his photography outings--getting over 30 mpg, BTW. Not very practical for a Leaf. Yes, there are those whose lifestyle fits owning a Leaf, but it doesn't work for the "average" driver.

 

[DarkBlack]

Why not find something p to refute the information. Attempting to insult serves no useful purpose. If you don't like reading skip or block my posts..I'd appreciate it. I'm way too old to be intimidated by your words. Do some work and find some factual information.

Noone needs to read a post. Posting information is not arguing in my view, its discussing and maybe along the way we learn something new. Posted
facts that contradict an opinion should be welcome to mature adults.:thumbsup:

Loren

You only copy and paste what you want, for message board space quantity, over quality. I'm surprised more don't call you out.
My 100% on original subject, 100% relevant Post question #742 has been sitting for days unanswered. You're spearheading the battery car push here, so why haven't you answered it?