So much for a Nissan Leaf!

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   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #791  
And how much "experience" do you have with people in the Bay Area? There are ~7.5 MILLION of them. You are saying they are all (or even a minimal majority) in a sad place trying to figure a way to "escape"? There are PLENTY of people there with PLENTY of money to buy a cheap Leaf or a $100K Tesla Model S. In fact, the only Tesla Model S I have seen in person was picking someone up at the S.F. airport, January 2013. I find your black and white generalizations uninformed and of little value. Everyone in the Bay Area is in a sad place trying to escape. There is no reason anyone should or would want an EV. I hope anything you post in tractor related fora is based on knowledge. The averages and medians Loren posted apply to every area of the country. There are the very rich, the very poor and everything in between. The poor and "average" income people in the Bay Area aren't buying the $600K+ houses any more than they are buying the more expensive houses in other areas. But there are plenty of Bay Area condos and houses in the $200K to $400K range according to Zillow. Will that kind of money buy a LOT more where you live? Quite possibly. But if everyone in a "sad place" where things are expensive moved to where things are cheap: - Their new job would pay less - The price of housing in those areas would go up - supply and demand. Sell your 1,161 sq ft Boston 2 bed/2 bath condo (*) for $695K and buy a 5,700 sq ft 5 bed/5 bath house on 1.5 acres in Montgomery, AL. (**) There are only 4 houses listed by Zillow in Montgomery that cost more. Or, let's say you have 50% equity in your Boston condo. BUY FOR CASH a 4,300 sq ft 5 bed/5 bath house on a half acre for $350K. (***) According to Wikipedia: Montgomery: The median income for a household in the city was $41,380, and the median income for a family was $53,125. Boston: The median income for a household in the city was $51,739, and the median income for a family was $61,035. The 2013 median sales price in Boston was ~$400K, $120K in Montgomery according to Trulia. So it is fair to conclude that everyone in Boston is in a sad place looking for a way out. The median income is $10K more than Montgomery, the median house cost is $280K higher. Look out lower housing cost places, all the middle and upper income people from places where housing is expensive are sad and will soon be moving in. They will think the asking price that a local knows to be ridiculous is CHEAP!!! (*) 6 Grove St UNIT 1, Boston, MA 02114 is For Sale - Zillow (**) 3212 Thomas Ave, Montgomery, AL 36106 is For Sale - Zillow (***) 2642 Aimee Dr, Montgomery, AL 36106 is For Sale - Zillow
Not uncommon to see Tesla here, 76561, surprised? But my property and home here, would cost you north of 5-6 million in the Bay Area peninsula. HS
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #792  
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #793  
Sunnyvale Homes For Sale - Quick Search - Santa Clara County Houses For Sale The real Bay Area, personally I wouldn't really call Concord part of the Bay Area. How to say, not a nice place. HS

The Bay Area is home to millions... we have SF and Peninsula, North Bay, East Bay and South Bay which make up the 9 Bay Area counties...

Out of all the Bays I live in the East Bay and have a Panoramic 5 bridge view of the entire bay from Oakland with SF and the sunset as a backdrop and similar homes to the Sunnyvale link are available at 50% of the cost and much closer to SF proper.

There are plenty of plenty of high end homes, high priced homes, older homes, small homes, homes close in and homes close out.

For many a deciding factor is public transportation and BART which covers SF Peninsula and East Bay...

I do like driving past the Tesla factory and seeing it alive with activity and Tesla is expanding... quite a contrast to all those that said California will never build cars again...
 
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The Bay Area is home to millions... we have SF and Peninsula, North Bay, East Bay and South Bay which make up the 9 Bay Area counties... Out of all the Bays I live in the East Bay and have a Panoramic 5 bridge view of the entire bay from Oakland with SF and the sunset as a backdrop and similar homes to the Sunnyvale link are available at 50% of the cost and much closer to SF proper. There are plenty of plenty of high end homes, high priced homes, older homes, small homes, homes close in and homes close out. For many a deciding factor is public transportation and BART on covers SF Peninsula and East Bay... I do like driving past the Tesla factory and seeing it alive with activity and Tesla is expanding... quite a contrast to all those that said California will never build cars again...
Yeah, I know. Those areas were a duck swamp in my day. 101 was a two lane road, 280 wasn't built, once on the north side of the GG Bridge there was nothing till you got to Santa Rosa where one cafe existed. You have any questions about that area just ask. HS.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #795  
Not an important question for me as I do not intend to own an EV in that climate. The answer depends on how warm you need to be, the terrain, the specific vehicle and how you drive. I'd suggest some work on your part investigating research on the topic. Of course you could just keep listening to and repeating opinions. Loren


100% Lame response.
From someone who can take the time to copy and paste millions of words of battery car 'friendly' slanted articles: Your voluntary abstinence from my totally relevant question shows your complete lack of regard for debating facts.
I used to think you actually cared. I now read your posts, as nothing more than propaganda advertisement for a for-profit industry.
Lame.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #796  
City

I am from Powell, Wyoming.

Not going to chase the demon on Coal. Just stated my opinion and moving on.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #797  
I work at for a Hospital and on just about any given day have the oldest vehicle in the parking lot...

Doctors driving all electric is a growing segment... Leaf, Tesla and BMW all electric.

Staff has an increasing number of Toyota Prius with some other Toyota and Ford Hybrid in the mix.

The Doctors driving the all electrics are not hurting for money and most were driving Porsche and even 12 cylinder Mercedes and BMW's... so money isn't a factor.

As mentioned before... every all electric Doc has solar at home with charging station...

Of course the big prize is being able to drive carpool lanes with a one occupant to by-pass commute gridlock.


Good! No need for any subsidies! .... right?
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #798  
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   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #799  
C'mon Loren, Stop trying to buy time with all the diversions.

What's the average range of a battery car @ -25C driving though snow with snow tires, while keeping the cabin warm?

Surely you don't post all your 'stuff' here without being able to answer a straight up important question?
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Exactly 731 units. (def: 1 unit equals 1/731 of the distance traveled) ....or about 31.2 miles ..or maybe 41.

Sorry but actually a poor attempt at a gotcha question. :confused2:

Is that better? Time to move on.

What is the correct answer(s). I feel like a teacher of the new common core math!!

I give :thumbsup:

Loren
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #800  
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Exactly 731 units. (def: 1 unit equals 1/731 of the distance traveled) ....or about 31.2 miles ..or maybe 41.

Sorry but actually a poor attempt at a gotcha question. :confused2:

Is that better? Time to move on.

What is the correct answer(s). I feel like a teacher of the new common core math!!

I give :thumbsup:

Loren

Loren, the point of the question was to prove a point. A Nissan Leaf would not even be worth the trouble of getting in it if someone gave it to you in a cold snowy climate, because you would likely be stranded and freeze to death.. It that clear enough? In fact back over 100 years ago when electric cars were all the rage, the ranges were similar, and the usages similar.. tooling around town in non fatal weather to get from point A to Point B when Point A and B were not too darn far apart. Now when some of these new Lithium batteries are developed and tested and put in actual cars, this will be help by some factor. But until then, you are not going to sell electric cars to guys like me.
 
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