So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[ultrarunner]

Good! No need for any subsidies! .... right?

I think technology should pay it's own way... I also believe regulations shouldn't impede advancement.

As mentioned these guys and girl can afford any car they want as far as the Docs... and most tout the free pass in the car pool lane which is another boondoggle for the most part...

 

[bruceha2000]

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Pretty lame cartoon (not YOUR fault) given the Volt has a gas engine and max 40 miles on the battery before the ICE kicks in. They could have chosen ANY pure EV instead.

 

[bruceha2000]

AND they probably make enough money that they don't qualify for the deduction. So they are buying it for one of several reasons:
- they want to minimize their environmental impact
- cache - "I have an electric car"
- they are tired of the high price of gas in the area
- they would rather spend their "fueling time" doing something other than spending any amount of time in a gas station
- they would rather not spend any amount of time at the dealer for routine maintenance
- they want HOV access

 

[houstonscott]

It just seems incredible you would go through all those development engineering problems and expense, and end up with something less then either a comparable gas or diesel car. What's the point? Now if electric cars charged up in five minutes, had comparable power, and a range of several thousand miles, gas cars would be gone overnight. There is just no big payoff for the change, only major drawbacks. What's the point? HS

 

[ultrarunner]

^^^ Pretty much... time will tell when it comes time to replace or add the fleet if they continue down the electric path.

One husband/wife doctors each have a leaf and the daughter has a Prius... pretty committed... plus he owns the small office building where his practice is located and plenty of solar to more than zero out the electric meter.

He only drives a few miles each day... less than 20...

His wife commutes 47 round trip from the East Bay to UCSF... she does get "Free" charging courtesy of the Taxpayers and preferred parking.

It is seldom hot and almost never every freezes... could just be the Bay Area is a sweet spot for electrics.

When they attend conferences they trade cars with their daughter... her Prius is also plug in.

 

[Citydude]

City

I am from Powell, Wyoming.

Not going to chase the demon on Coal. Just stated my opinion and moving on.

You are more than entitled to your opinion. If I offended you with mine, regrets.

Take care

 

[bruceha2000]

Loren, the point of the question was to prove a point. A Nissan Leaf would not even be worth the trouble of getting in it if someone gave it to you in a cold snowy climate, because you would likely be stranded and freeze to death.. It that clear enough? In fact back over 100 years ago when electric cars were all the rage, the ranges were similar, and the usages similar.. tooling around town in non fatal weather to get from point A to Point B when Point A and B were not too darn far apart. Now when some of these new Lithium batteries are developed and tested and put in actual cars, this will be help by some factor. But until then, you are not going to sell electric cars to guys like me.

Your facts are somewhat misleading. Some (few) early EVs had a range of up to 100 miles, true (actually, in 1910 a Baker was driven 244 1/2 miles on a charge). Others only 20 miles. Max speeds 9 to 30 MPH and mostly maxed out at 20 to 25 miles. I suspect one could go a lot farther than 100 miles in a Leaf if they stuck to 22 MPH. Plus, early 1900's EVs didn't have any of the "accoutrements" of a modern vehicle.

No it is NOT clear enough. *I* live in a cold snowy area and I expect my next vehicle to be a pure EV.
Clear enough for YOU?

If you want to give me one, I'll PM my address People travelled in open wagons without heat for centuries and didn't freeze to death. Even today thinking people in cold snowy areas make sure they have proper "gear" in the car in case they get stuck - flat tire, impassable roads, etc. People used to have to stop part way up mountains to add water to the radiator and at 58 years old *I* remember those days. We have it pretty cushy now don't we


NO ONE is trying to sell an EV to "guys like you" because either:
- They are not practical for "guys like you"
- "Not now, not ever" "guys like you" are close minded with regard to EVs. No sense wasting effort trying to sell you one.

It is no different than me saying "You'll never sell a Hummer (*) to guys like me". The difference is a Hummer is not practical for anyone. There are any number of other vehicles that can better do what people driving Hummers do - from econo boxes to full size SUVs and 1 ton pickup trucks.

(*) Yeah I know, they aren't making Hummers any more. The Hummer is dead, long live the Hummer. No loss to society.

 

[k0ua]

Your facts are somewhat misleading. Some (few) early EVs had a range of up to 100 miles, true (actually, in 1910 a Baker was driven 244 1/2 miles on a charge). Others only 20 miles. Max speeds 9 to 30 MPH and mostly maxed out at 20 to 25 miles. I suspect one could go a lot farther than 100 miles in a Leaf if they stuck to 22 MPH. Plus, early 1900's EVs didn't have any of the "accoutrements" of a modern vehicle.

No it is NOT clear enough. *I* live in a cold snowy area and I expect my next vehicle to be a pure EV.
Clear enough for YOU?

If you want to give me one, I'll PM my address People travelled in open wagons without heat for centuries and didn't freeze to death. Even today thinking people in cold snowy areas make sure they have proper "gear" in the car in case they get stuck - flat tire, impassable roads, etc. People used to have to stop part way up mountains to add water to the radiator and at 58 years old *I* remember those days. We have it pretty cushy now don't we


NO ONE is trying to sell an EV to "guys like you" because either:
- They are not practical for "guys like you"
- "Not now, not ever" "guys like you" are close minded with regard to EVs. No sense wasting effort trying to sell you one.

It is no different than me saying "You'll never sell a Hummer (*) to guys like me". The difference is a Hummer is not practical for anyone. There are any number of other vehicles that can better do what people driving Hummers do - from econo boxes to full size SUVs and 1 ton pickup trucks.

(*) Yeah I know, they aren't making Hummers any more. The Hummer is dead, long live the Hummer. No loss to society.

I am not "close minded" to EV's, at all. you get one that charges in 15 minutes, runs at least 400 miles, and have charging stations all over the USA, like gas stations, and cost the equivalent of gas and diesel cars and trucks, and I would be very interested.. I am not saying these things cannot ever be achieved. Never say never, but right now a Nissan Leaf is a wortheless as teats on a boar hog, to me. Clear enough?

 

[houstonscott]

ELR Electric Hybrid Coupe | Cadillac I guess it's Volt under the sheet metal, but I like it. The only reason I like seeing electrics continue to improve is I can anticipate a day in the future where, if certain people get into power, gas and diesel would be outright banned from public use. HS

 

[houstonscott]

I am not "close minded" to EV's, at all. you get one that charges in 15 minutes, runs at least 400 miles, and have charging stations all over the USA, like gas stations, and cost the equivalent of gas and diesel cars and trucks, and I would be very interested.. I am not saying these things cannot ever be achieved. Never say never, but right now a Nissan Leaf is a wortheless as teats on a boar hog, to me. Clear enough?

+1 HS