Hi boys keep it neat and tidy Stihl or Husqvarna Chansaws

[MikePA]

Help me understand why some people cannot accept advice from professionals in a specific field? You are free to follow it or not or agree with it or not. Arguing about points of view and opinions never makes sense to me since it always involves 2 or more people thinking just one more post will convince the other person they are wrong and it never happens. Just like a fight in the school yard it continues until a third party steps in and stops it, i.e., closes the thread. Unlike a school yard fight, people seldom wear themselves out throwing electronic punches.

P.S.
Similarly, professionals who give advice - Give the advice, answer questions if something was not clear, and move on. What's the point of arguing? RickB in the NH forums is a great example of this. He was a New Holland mechanic for a long time and has moved from the shop to behind the counter. Here on TBN, he offers great advice and assistance, which people are free to accept or ignore but he seldom, repeats advice or engages in page after page of arguments.

 

[murphy1244]

CM, The coarse is ran by the State. For a tax break on your land you must remove non-native brush and thin the tree's, kill grape vine. You need 15 hours a year of CLE's. Need to get applicators license also.

 

[LarJea]

How does one get a professional card to be able to use a top handle? What are the requirements to be a pro? Is there a chainsaw university one must attend?

My wife uses a top handle saw for limbing, while I do the cutting. When I asked her if she thought she should have a professional card so she would be legal to use the saw, she said if anybody asks, she would show them her concealed carry permit, also when I asked her what requirements she had to be using a chainsaw, she just said "good common sense and a healthy respect for the saw."

 

[KiotiJason]

Help me understand why some people cannot accept advice from professionals in a specific field? You are free to follow it or not or agree with it or not. Arguing about points of view and opinions never makes sense to me since it always involves 2 or more people thinking just one more post will convince the other person they are wrong and it never happens. Just like a fight in the school yard it continues until a third party steps in and stops it, i.e., closes the thread. Unlike a school yard fight, people seldom wear themselves out throwing electronic punches.

P.S.
Similarly, professionals who give advice - Give the advice, answer questions if something was not clear, and move on. What's the point of arguing? RickB in the NH forums is a great example of this. He was a New Holland mechanic for a long time and has moved from the shop to behind the counter. Here on TBN, he offers great advice and assistance, which people are free to accept or ignore but he seldom, repeats advice or engages in page after page of arguments.

Hi Mike,
I don't think its a matter of accepting advice from "pro", it's being told that you aren't experienced or qualified to use a particular tool when that advice wasn't sort. I have a very real and genuine reason for wanting a top Handle saw and also pro grade products. I as a responsible adult and experienced user of chainsaws accept that there is an inherent risk of these types of saws. I never intend to preform one handed cuts. I guess each persons circumstances are different. I think the exception has been drawn when it was suggested that a Non pro has no right owning a pro saw or top mounted saw. Full respect to all of the posters,I love chainsaws, tools and equipment, the intent of the thread was to open discussion regarding preferences of saws. With the risk of sound arrogant, I think I've got the saw safety covered with my previous experience training etc. I have close friends that are arborist and one who trains forestry, parks and fireman on felling, and chainsaw safety. Not only have I participated in his course I have also worked with him on the ground.
I'd really would be interested in getting people's opinon on pole saws though, I want to get a top handle saw however I need a pole saw now. The lowest of the Stihl's are over $1300 here so I've been looking on ebay for a second hand one. Any advice would be appreciated on what to look for. Whatever I end up with it's going to be doing a lot of work. I believe that echo and husky have them and I'm not opposed to heading that way as price is the main driver. Cheers

 

[Coyote machine]

CM, The coarse is ran by the State. For a tax break on your land you must remove non-native brush and thin the tree's, kill grape vine. You need 15 hours a year of CLE's. Need to get applicators license also.

Thanks, Murph.
I get the non-native species, but what's up with grape vines? Does the State have you apply pesticides or similar?
How much of a tax break do they grant?

Regarding my work as a pro tree surgeon, I was trained starting around age 13 by the following company, by the then owners and some of their existing crew.
Beucler Tree Experts | Serving Bergen County and Northern New Jersey's Arboriculture Needs Since 1971
They taught me ground work with drum type chippers, bucking and limbing, pesticide spraying, with Sevin, etc. Over time they trained me to be a climber and eventually my own crew chief for large and small projects. Back then we used climbing spikes except for sensitive residential trees at customers homes. The two brothers who started the eventual company now named Beucler Tree were George and Pete; who got his degree at Rutgers, in whatever they offered back in the late 60's.
I worked for them summers during prep school days and then when I graduated early I worked for them for several years with a couple of friends from school joining them too.
If you look through their web site you'll see what real professional tree experts use for equipment: 100' telescoping cranes, large bucket trucks, trained professional tree climbers, etc, etc. I worked in or on all their equipment back then, and they have since expanded their company and reach to a large area of NJ and NY.
Apprenticeship back then by the company owners qualified me as a pro after years of training and hands on work in trees, and operating all kinds of tree industry related equipment. The German brothers knew everything there was to know about trees and how to care for them. They ran the largest professional tree company in the tri state area, and their legacy continues today due to their dedication to quality work and professionally trained workers, arborists, etc.
I'm proud to say I worked with them as they created their market niche.

CM out

 

[murphy1244]

"Thanks, Murph.
I get the non-native species, but what's up with grape vines? Does the State have you apply pesticides or similar?
How much of a tax break do they grant?"

The grape vine will slowly kill the tree's by smothering them and by weight. I cut the vine then apply Pathfinder 2 on the cut. We get a 50% tax break on certified woodlands.

 

[cre10]

#jealous

 

[Coyote machine]

Hi Mike,
I don't think its a matter of accepting advice from "pro", it's being told that you aren't experienced or qualified to use a particular tool when that advice wasn't sort. I have a very real and genuine reason for wanting a top Handle saw and also pro grade products. I as a responsible adult and experienced user of chainsaws accept that there is an inherent risk of these types of saws. I never intend to preform one handed cuts. I guess each persons circumstances are different. I think the exception has been drawn when it was suggested that a Non pro has no right owning a pro saw or top mounted saw. Full respect to all of the posters, but I still don't see what a pilot and a plane have to do with it. I love chainsaws, tools and equipment, the intent of the thread was to open discussion regarding preferences of saws. With the risk of sound arrogant, I think I've got the saw safety covered with my previous experience training etc. I have close friends that are arborist and one who trains forestry, parks and fireman on felling, and chainsaw safety. Not only have I participated in his course I have also worked with him on the ground.
I'd really would be interested in getting people's opinon on pole saws though, I want to get a top handle saw however I need a pole saw now. The lowest of the Stihl's are over $1300 here so I've been looking on ebay for a second hand one. Any advice would be appreciated on what to look for. Whatever I end up with it's going to be doing a lot of work. I believe that echo and husky have them and I'm not opposed to heading that way as price is the main driver. Cheers

Get over the plane/pilot analogy.... it was meant to imply that simply being a passenger on a plane does not make one into a pilot.
And being able to buy a pro grade chainsaw doesn't make one a professional tree expert, either. You may have more experience and training than most, but you're probably the exception vs. the rule. And even though you started this thread and suggested in your title that it should be kept neat and tidy doesn't, unfortunately, make the thread follow that concept. This type of thread, by its very nature, asking for opinions on saw brands is going to eventually hit the wall, based on the history of threads like this here on TBN and other forums that deal with saw choices.

Regarding pole saws I have an Echo split shaft that serves me well. I have two different head units because the earlier model hit my concrete floor and cracked the case, so I rebuilt it from a seized engine/case my dealer gave me. I have the hedge trimmer as well as a 10 & 12" bar and chains for each. The 12" bar/chain does give more reach but tires me out quicker for sure.
My local tree expert has one of the Stihl pole pruners and it is a beast and very heavy duty.
I went with the Echo because I already had bought the split shaft for weed eating and it came with a small rototiller attachment I have yet to take out of the box; but I did also get a power-broom head by Shindawa to use to remove gravel from my lawn in spring from plowing. Echo makes some high quality tools, including their pole pruners, but I'd have to hazard a guess that Stihls lineup is heavier duty; though I can't say for sure never having used them.:confused3: Either brand would serve one's needs depending on their specific use requirements, IMHO.

 

[MikePA]

Hi Mike,
I don't think its a matter of accepting advice from "pro", it's being told that you aren't experienced or qualified to use a particular tool when that advice wasn't sort.

Understood and can appreciate. Thanks.

 

[Coyote machine]

My wife uses a top handle saw for limbing, while I do the cutting. When I asked her if she thought she should have a professional card so she would be legal to use the saw, she said if anybody asks, she would show them her concealed carry permit, also when I asked her what requirements she had to be using a chainsaw, she just said "good common sense and a healthy respect for the saw."

There is no 'pro card', and your wife wouldn't need 'requirements', she'd need qualifications.:confused2:
Ohhh, concealed carry permit, that would scare off anybody in the vicinity I'm sure with the implied thread of being shot if she didn't like what they were asking for...
But the situation is moot since no one would be asking her for anything to begin with... There is no legality to use a top handle saw, just common sense and the manufacturers stated safety info. Just like a gun anybody can use one and common sense and use are too frequently absent from most use that brings about bodily harm or death resulting.