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   / Lucky to be ALIVE!!! #41  
oh my! glad ya made it out!

i been holding off putting on "quick disconnects" on one of the tractors batteries, i have them just have not made time. looks like that just moved up on the list.

hold in there through the surgeries, and rehabilitation. just a hand crushed, a couple bones broke / fractured when i was a kid. it can be a bit rough here and there. but ya going to need to fight through the pain. it does get better. if ya can get past the initial stuff, the longer wait out to get back, will be easy. just hold up on your spirits and keep on going! easier said than done on those bad days, to hour to hour as ya fighting through it all. but it does get better.
 
   / Lucky to be ALIVE!!! #42  
X 1K!

Hi Gary,

Thanks for the object lesson, and for putting yourself out there for those of us who will take this as a warning, rather than an excuse to experience the holier than thou feeling that some of the other posters are obviously enjoying.

I for one, just don't understand all the acrimony...

Is it just people who feel the need to be defensive when no one is really attacking them? or are they really in need of validation?

Whatever......

Thanks again Gary!

I appreciate both the gravity of what you went through...

...I have experienced the horrible feeling of inevitability of serious injury during some of my own accidents, but typically they happened in the milliseconds of slowed-down time that accompany those events for me, and not in the macro-time sense that yours did...

...and your willingness to sacrificially expose yourself to all the detractors and critics for the sake of potentially improving the chances that someone else who you don't even know didn't end up in a similar or worse situation.

Warmest regards,
Thomas

It really makes me angry when people start spouting off about how stupid someone was and even a little common sense could have changed the outcome. If you can't think of a single example in your own life where you did something stupid and the results could have been a lot worse - then you are either a liar or have a very bad memory. If I'm honest - I would probably have trouble shortening my list down to my top 100 stupid decisions/actions.

Gary - I know you feel dumb about what happened - you've said as much. I commend you for coming on here and telling your story to remind the rest of us. I apologize that some of us feel compelled to judge and criticize. You would think we could offer advice and solutions without trying to stomp on someone.

Get well. I hope all of your injuries can be healed. Physically, mentally and financially. Thank you for the wake up call.

Sean.
 
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#43  
I'm lucky enough to have good care & support for rehab. now. Not sure I could do it by myself. I can see now this going to be a long process for recovery. I'm getting a lot of feeling back in my knees now and hoping for no long term problems.
I can't tell you how much the TBN members get well wishes , support & understanding mean to me :)
Reading the forum is about I have to do to pass the time in my phone.
Thanks sooo much!
If this prevents & makes you think twice just one person from going through this its well worth all the embarrassment.
 
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   / Lucky to be ALIVE!!! #44  
You guys can get angry or whatever at what I said. I don't fold down my ROPS. I use my seatbelt on my tractor whenever I'm at risk of rolling over or similar, and by choice I don't wear it all the time. In my car I always wear it.
I'm not Monday quarterbacking or anything similar. I'm not wishing harm on anyone - that's your interpretation of my meaning. You guys are reading into my statement your own personal agenda(s). If people choose to defeat seat switches etc., then they are tempting fate on obvious risks, 'accidents' that could not occur if they didn't mess with the very devices meant to reduce/eliminate certain preventable accidents.

If you're standing next to your tractor and it is running and you're moving it you're going against every precaution outlined in every owners manual, which state similar precautions to: stop the engine, remove the key, set the brake, and put all implements on the ground, BEFORE dismounting the machine.

The OP responded to my statement in a polite and completely honest manner by acknowledging he could have done it differently and that would have had a very different outcome. I applaud his willingness to expose himself to feedback from TBN members, whether positive or critical of his process. We each have our own opinions, and if one doesn't like mine, that's no different than me not liking others. This is a public forum, not a place where only one way of thinking prevails.

It is my opinion that everyone makes mistakes, obviously, that's not the point here. What is the point is everyone needs to THINK before acting whenever working on or around machinery.
The common response to most accident examples is: I've been doing it this way forever or it's never been a problem. Right, its not a problem until it is and then a do over is too late.
That's what drives me nuts, is the boneheaded 'thinking' that anyone is immune to getting hurt or killed by acting without thinking. That's lack of situational awareness, and if one ignores the required thinking process necessary to be safe around machinery then they will end up having accidents, or they should not operate the machinery in the first place.
The often posted in machine shops and factories is: Safety is NO accident.
None of what I said before or above is a criticism of the OP or his choices. I asked HOW/WHY something like this could happen; especially considering all the things that had to be wrong for the 'perfect storm' to take place. Gear tractor, in gear, wheels not chocked, brake not on, battery connected, using a wrench on a starter solenoid nut that could and did ground out to adjacent metal, etc.
And yes I do hope some people will learn from this tragedy. If that's the good side of this thread then it will serve others well.
 
   / Lucky to be ALIVE!!! #45  
Gary,
Accidents happen. Sadly that's how most learn. We live, we learn - thankfully you lived.
We should all try to be more aware where we are and what we're doing all the time.
Hope your road to recovery is a speedy one. KW
 
   / Lucky to be ALIVE!!! #46  
I'm glad you are alive, mend fast. I'm going to take an extra look at everything I'm doing from now on, thanks for enlightening me!
 
   / Lucky to be ALIVE!!! #47  
You guys can get angry or whatever at what I said. I don't fold down my ROPS. I use my seatbelt on my tractor whenever I'm at risk of rolling over or similar, and by choice I don't wear it all the time. In my car I always wear it.
I'm not Monday quarterbacking or anything similar. I'm not wishing harm on anyone - that's your interpretation of my meaning. You guys are reading into my statement your own personal agenda(s). If people choose to defeat seat switches etc., then they are tempting fate on obvious risks, 'accidents' that could not occur if they didn't mess with the very devices meant to reduce/eliminate certain preventable accidents.

You're missing the POINT. You're ASSUMING everyone on the planet is aware of EVERY potential safety hazard, guess what they aren't. Don't conflate " flagrant disregard for safety" IE folding down ROPS, with, getting off a tractor while it's running WE'VE ALL DONE IT, although me not so much any more reading all the horror stories. but none the less we all do things that seem appropriate until they turn UGLY.

The OP did just that, he did something innocent, that turned UGLY. No ones fault, no one to blame, it's an ACCIDENT, and that's how accidents happen.

I mean how many times have you run up or downs stairs until the ONE DAY you sprained your ankle?

So to beat up anyone who makes a lapse in judgement, or is ignorant to certain facts that are obvious to you is unfair. CHIT happens, and when people can feel free to post "stupid mistakes" without the SAFETY POLICE, or the YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER Police beating up on them, then we all win.

If on the other hand we continue as a site to make people feed like a moron for passing on their foibles, then we will be relegates to a tractor site that has nothing more on it than " I bought a new tractor SEE HERE IT IS " or "LOOKIE HERE at my new garden" ...really is that what you want?

YOU SAID:" It is my opinion that everyone makes mistakes, obviously, that's not the point here. What is the point is everyone needs to THINK before acting whenever working on or around machinery."...that's probably the most unaware statement I think I have ever read. THINK ABOUT IT, people can "THINK" till the cows come home, and that will not help them make a better decision IF THEY ARE UNAWARE.

As in this example the OP was UNAWARE the tractor would lurch forward once the started was shorted out. Just because something is obvious to you doesn't make it so for all. Now if your suggesting that everyone gets out a service manual on specific equipment and stsep by step instructions, I'm with you, but to expect people to think about something they are unaware of is ludicrous.

Maybe this will help:
Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.
 
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Just to reinstate I was aware of what could happen, but was UNAWARE it had been put back in gear. I was aware if in gear it would learch forward, but Unaware how fast. If you're 99.9% sure & aware of something that .01% on the hundredth time can & will get you. Sometimes you think you can get by with a few shortcuts & it won't happen to you state of mind. I've found out the hard way there's no shortcuts to safety.
Also there is a rops that's up 100% of time and seatbelt. There's also been NO seat safety or otherwise switches bypassed or disconnected. Infact the keys were not even the tractor. I did know & aware that these things could happen. I now have a unmeasurable lesson about thinking twice and more about how fast accidents can happen
 
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   / Lucky to be ALIVE!!! #49  
Thanks for sharing this story. I hate hearing about you getting hurt, but I will file this in my list of ways to get killed on my tractor.


There are lots of things I have learned not to do from the forums. Some wouldn't have seemed dangerous.
 
   / Lucky to be ALIVE!!! #50  
Just to reinstate I was aware of what could happen, but was UNAWARE it had been put back in gear. I was aware if in gear it would learch forward, but Unaware how fast. If you're 99.9% sure & aware of something that .01% on the hundredth time can & will get you.
Also there is a rops that's up 100% of time and seatbelt. There's also been NO seat safety or otherwise switches bypassed or disconnected. Infact the keys were not even the tractor. I did know & aware that these things could happen. I now have a unmeasurable lesson about thinking twice and more about how fast accidents can happen

Gary,
Like you said, your were tired.

Maybe the good Lord had this happen to teach all of us a valuable lesson. Thanks for having the courage to share this unfortunate incident. We all wish you a speedy recovery.
John
 

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