My NX6010

   / My NX6010 #281  
Based on this thread, I thought about talking Eric into one of these: High Horsepower Grader Clearing Box Blade
Travis

That's exactly what Eric needs to turn his tractor into a dozer! Although I hate to think what shipping to MN would cost.

Eric, if you don't mind me asking, how much money have to put into repairing your NX after its adventures? Because at some point, a dozer AND a tractor would be less money.

And are you sure you don't work for Kioti advertising:laughing:
 
   / My NX6010 #282  
What brand of valves did you install that are leaking down so quick?

Factory remote (standard) plus dealer-installed second remote option. Both Kioti valves.
 
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#283  
Top link or side link? Or both? There are some very good options via mail order. Do you know the min and max lengths of the current link(s)? I can give a couple recommendations.

Personally, I found having a hydraulic top link with a box blade to be a critical feature. Box blades continually need angle tweaking depending on how they are being used, how much material you want to move, are you digging or smoothing, dirt or gravel, etc.... I bought a top link for about $180 and then prettied it up with Rustoleum Lobster Red paint (dead ringer for Kubota orange), and bought custom hoses from discount hydraulic hose. Total cost was about $220.

I have not yet bought a hydraulic side link because I haven't needed one, but will if I know I will be cutting ditches in a way that exceeds the adjustability of my turnbuckle side link.

Check valves may or may not be important. I do not have a check on mine, because I have a float valve for the top link and you can't have a check inline if you want to float. I have not noticed significant leak down to suggest a check is needed during operation in non-float position.

I have a hydraulic top link with check valves, but not a hydraulic side link. If you saw the terrain that I need to make my road in (imagine tracks from skid loaders from 25 years ago through loamy soil), you'd see why I want a sidelink hydro with check valves so it doesn't leak down.

When it was all shiny and new

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   / My NX6010 #284  
I did some road-trail-ditch building this summer and I bought one of these to do the job, It works really good also, Are you using the hydraulic side link to crown up the road? How will that work with the box scraper? will the dirt flow out the side ok? I have bolt on side plates on my rear blade but had to remove them to get the dirt to flow smoothly. (this photo is from Landprides site,)

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#285  
I did some road-trail-ditch building this summer and I bought one of these to do the job, It works really good also, Are you using the hydraulic side link to crown up the road? How will that work with the box scraper? will the dirt flow out the side ok? I have bolt on side plates on my rear blade but had to remove them to get the dirt to flow smoothly. (this photo is from Landprides site,)

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I'd like a blade scraper, but when my neighbor, Bill, and I were talking about what I had to do, Bill told me to not get the scraper blade first because a scraper tends to follow the bumps in the ground the tractor covers. On my neighbor's advice, I decided to get a box blade first.

I have a left front tire on my truck that has 4 tire plugs in it from little sapling trunks that where cut, then died, and hardened themselves into punji sticks--and this was on a turn-around I made for truck deliveries that I thought was "safe" because I had used the root grapple on most of the roadway to clear the saplings. Anyway, I plan to use the scarifiers to dig in and get the remaining roots out, and the box blade to level and smooth all the irregularities out.

Hydraulic wise, a ram on the side link would allow me to tilt the box up or down on the fly. Because I'm going to be using the box blade a lot, I really want to get into a tilting ram for my NX.
 
   / My NX6010 #286  
Both implements will follow the terrain if you float the 3-pt hitch and let the implements ride on the ground. And both can create irregularities out of phase with the front wheel if the 3-pt is holding them up, to the point of whatever downforce the implement creates. What I mean by that is that if your front wheels hit a bump, the rear blade (either one) will dig down and make a dip. If your front wheels go into a dip, the rear blade rises up and will deposit any material as a new bump. It doesn't take much of this before you turn a minimally bumpy road into a more bumpy road. So I almost always float my box blade and my rear blade unless I have a reason not to.

The main difference is that the rear blade is capable of moving material laterally when angled, for instance from side to crown. The box will not. The box, however, is great at redistributing material as it collects in the box. It will shave off material from high spots and fill in low spots. A box is great for distributing gravel (even coarse gravel like #3) or smoothing dry topsoil (damp topsoil tends to clump and stick; if that happens I go do something else for a couple hours while the sunlight drys out the soil a little).

A box is a lot more rugged than a rear blade, though there are HD rear blades that are pretty stout. But still, the construction of the box makes it like a bulldozer of sorts.

The only time I have had occasion to angle my box side to side is when cutting a ditch. A reinforced rear blade with offset and angle would be the best tool for that, but a box will do. But otherwise, I almost always have my box level side to side for grading, smoothing, and moving material.

I had some deep logging ruts on my property, left by skidders when the land was logged in the early 90s. In fact, the ruts are visible on google earth in some shots! We had to cross one set for our driveway, and all I did was fill them in with #3 gravel before compacting and topping with road base. In another area, I used the box blade to shave off about 12" of loamy topsoil before putting down #3 then road base, and it worked very well for that.

Where the box isn't so great is when there is a lot of debris in the soil (roots, sticks, rocks, etc). It ends up getting caught in the box and disrupts the smoothing/cutting action of the cutting edges. You will periodically need to stop and empty the box, then push the debris off to the side.

You may be able to yank out roots with the box blade rippers, but don't be surprised if you run out of traction or grunt, even on a heavy tractor. They can be like arresting hooks in some cases. Running a box blade with rippers down is as intense as tilling, without the benefit of rotating machinery. I could bring my old tractor to a standstill with rippers down in heavy clay soil or soil with a lot of roots, by loss of traction. My new tractor runs out of steam before it runs out of traction in the same conditions. Where the rippers work well is in clear soil or gravel.

The biggest trick for grading with a box blade is adjusting the angle of attack with the hydraulic top link, especially for boxes with dual forward and rear cutting edges. It lets you tune the angle of attack for both cutting edges. This gives the ability to dig or smooth, in forward or reverse (though note the 3-pt arms are not made for excessive pushing in reverse, so I generally limit reverse work to smoothing only).

Going forward, lengthening the top link makes the box less aggressive at digging and better for smoothing, as the front cutter rises up and the rear cutter feathers (in the limit when the front cutter is off the ground and the rear cutter is fully feathered, it provides very gentle smoothing). The opposite happens when you decrease the top link length -- the front cutter will bite more and more. Opposite action when going in reverse.
 
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#287  
Both implements will follow the terrain if you float the 3-pt hitch and let the implements ride on the ground.

Thank you for the detailed explanation. From the sound of it, I purchased the right tool first. I don't need to make my driveway into a road for some time.
 
   / My NX6010 #288  
Some Probe's had turbos too.

Not sure I would give Ford credit for the Probes mechanicals
the Probe was based on the Mazda GD platform and shares most of its mechanical parts with the 626 and MX-6 ...
 
   / My NX6010 #289  
It should work good, I also have a box blade and find that is some conditions I can only lower 2 of the teeth when pulling roots out, some of that brush doesn't want to let go!
A friend of mine has a box scraper that he made a set of caster wheels that stick out the back about 6' and has them on one of the remotes on the tractor so you can control the depth of the blade or lift them up completely , It works good for final grading.
 
   / My NX6010 #290  
It should work good, I also have a box blade and find that in some conditions I can only lower 2 of the teeth when pulling roots out, some of that brush doesn't want to let go!
A friend of mine has a box scraper that he made a set of caster wheels that stick out the back about 6' and has them on one of the remotes on the tractor so you can control the depth of the blade or lift them up completely , It works good for final grading.
 

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