How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ?

[TCJatko]

Sure glad I live in Canada

I bet you are; you have the privilege of getting run down or shot by insane terrorists without means to defend yourself.

 

[timster2]

To those who think you can "just get a permit". In NY City you have no such "rights". Here is line one of the Handgun permit application:

Fees.
Two (2) separate fees are required. These are payable by certified check, bank check, money order or
credit card. All fees are non-refundable.
$340.00 - Made payable to New York City Police Department
$ 91.50 - Made payable to New York City Police Department

It will cost you $431.50 just for the application and by the way that can take 6 to 9 months or more to get.

And if you read the "Types of Licenses" you will see there is no provision for a personal concealed carry permit, you can only get a "Business" carry permit. Handgun licensing Information

The only way to own a handgun is to get a premise permit which allows you to keep one in your home.

If you want to own a rifle or shotgun the fee is ONLY $231.50 Rifle/Shotgun Permit Information

New Yorks government has made it a mission to take away your "rights" and have succeeded by making it costly, burdensome and time consuming.

 

[Bird]

The main reason I would want a CHL is because it seems to add credibility to your side in a incident.

To some extent perhaps. I don't know how much of what was taught in the class I attended was state mandated and how much was the instructor's opinion or outside information, but . . . I was glad to hear him go into considerable detail about the fact that shooting another person had better be a last resort. Texas law lists circumstances (crimes) under which shooting another person is "justifiable homicide" but that doesn't mean you won't initially be arrested and charged. Don't hold me to this, but I believe he said it was an NRA survey that concluded that, even when the shooter is exonerated, the average legal costs to him/her was $42,000.

One of the few new things I learned in that class is that there are companies selling insurance specifically for CHL holders to defend them if they ever have to use the weapon. He recommended such insurance, or at least to carry the name and phone number of an attorney you want to call if it ever happens.

 

[k0ua]

To those who think you can "just get a permit". In NY City you have no such "rights". Here is line one of the Handgun permit application:

Fees.
Two (2) separate fees are required. These are payable by certified check, bank check, money order or
credit card. All fees are non-refundable.
$340.00 - Made payable to New York City Police Department
$ 91.50 - Made payable to New York City Police Department

It will cost you $431.50 just for the application and by the way that can take 6 to 9 months or more to get.

And if you read the "Types of Licenses" you will see there is no provision for a personal concealed carry permit, you can only get a "Business" carry permit. Handgun licensing Information

The only way to own a handgun is to get a premise permit which allows you to keep one in your home.

If you want to own a rifle or shotgun the fee is ONLY $231.50 Rifle/Shotgun Permit Information

New Yorks government has made it a mission to take away your "rights" and have succeeded by making it costly, burdensome and time consuming.

That's why I would not live there for all the tea in China.

 

[MoKelly]

The main reason I would want a CHL is because it seems to add credibility to your side in a incident. As we've seen in ferguson the truth can be covered up and hidden and very slow to come out, especially if the media has a story they want to tell that the facts don't support. HS

Have you ever been to Ferguson or is your knowledge based on what you have read online?

MoKelly

 

[k0ua]

I bet you are; you have the privilege of getting run down or shot by insane terrorists without means to defend yourself.

He kinda walked into that one didn't he?

 

[houstonscott]

Have you ever been to Ferguson or is your knowledge based on what you have read online? MoKelly

Don't have to go to or be in ferguson to read and understand the facts. You do have to be reasonable. HS

 

[GolfAddict]

Don't have to go to or be in ferguson to read and understand the facts. You do have to be reasonable. HS

I suppose this is inappropriate or something, but I just cracked up when I saw this the other day-

"Pants up, Don't loot!"

 

[jix]

Being a Canadian, I have a different perspective on the matter of carrying a pistol than many American citizens do. I do have several American-citizen relatives who routinely carry weapons on their person, or in their car. They justify (appropriately) the need for this because they live in areas where crime is common and where it is dangerous to live. I sympathise with their position.

So far, in Canada, the areas which are dangerous enough to warrant carrying a deadly weapon are few, but these areas are growing to include all major cities, unfortunately. Drugs are the main reason for this, but so is unrestrained immigration from certain third-world countries, where violent crime is a normal aspect of life.

We Canadians will, sooner or later, need to change our anti-gun attitudes, no doubt. In the meanwhile, I do not wish to ever have to carry a gun, never mind use it in self-defense. Our police agencies react to the idea of common citizens carrying guns with understandable horror. Even in Canada, police are in great danger from criminals with guns (rifles included). Police agency attitudes are understandable, but one-sided.
In Canada, one cannot ever shoot anyone without a very serious legal problem resulting. Even a home invasion is not grounds to shoot a criminal if one is not a police officer.

Canadian attitudes are such that a police response is adequate in all circumstances, but even the cops cannot undo an act of crime which gets victim killed by a criminal... The police attitude is patently biased..and unrealistic.

But so is the idea that every citizen should have the right to carry a sidearm in the modern day...too much such jingoistic talk does not help.

I wish I could suggest something in between the extremes...but there appears to be no such option open to suggest. Every argument fails for one reason or another. Crime, drugs, poverty pay no attention to right and wrong.

Violent crime happens everywhere. Canada is no exception, so maybe the American attitude is the default correct answer if citizens need to defend themselves..but who protects americans from themselves?..Can anyone answer that?

 

[Buggs67]

Long thread. My :2cents:.
Better to have the permit ahead of time. You don't have to carry.
It IS a liability. You're responsible for it at all times and if you use it you're gonna be in a world of hurt. That being said I'll repeat tow police aphorisms.

"I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"
"Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" This applies to both the permit and the weapon.

Most of you are fortunate to live in better states. In NJ even a retire police officer has to jump thru hoops to get a permit and it costs $ every year to renew as well as paperwork. And a common citizen has a better chance of getting hit by lightning. The only reason they let RPOs get carry permit is the Federal Gov't passed a law requiring the states to allow it, but also allowed them to put restrictions.