Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives

   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #121  
Right now the environmental left has control and is forcing the military at great expense to develop fuels that are "green", what ever that means. So fuel costs are going to be 10-50 times as expensive just to said to be green. Stupid. HS

Interested in renewables, yes, but for very good reasons. It costs something over hundreds per gallon getting fuel to Afghanistan (when I was there a few years ago... Real cost of gas at Afghan bases: $400/gal. - CBS News ), not to mention the blood spilled guarding the convoys. The military is VERY interested in diminishing that vulnerability.

Not all their fuel costs that much, but its still a HUGE logistical problem.


Me. I add white Power Service to keep my fuel from turning into pudding. That's a very measurable thing. I fill my 55 gallon drum at the local gas station, which is not a place I want to trust to have the right blend for the temp. I also live in Colorado... It was summer weather in the 60s until Monday morning. Monday evening it was in the 20s & it's -9 tonight. So fall lasted a few hours at the start of November. Good luck in keeping the blend switch timed right even if you are on the ball.

The cetane boots & other stuff is just gravy.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #122  
Most governments work under budgets and know that taxpayers don't want to pay more. A government therefore would have an interest in stretching tax dollars as far as they could. Saving 8% on a fuel bill would be quite a large sum in the context of most government budgets. I'd imagine that my town's public works/police/fire depts must use on average at least 20 gallons/vehicle/week times about 50 vehicles. 1000 gallons/week. 50,000gallons/year Close to $200,000 for fuel. Save 8% of that is about $15000 or so each year. That would buy some new equipment or let the town manager crow about what a good manager he was.

More to the point, any additive maker that had data suggesting that a town manager could save $15,000 a year (minus additive cost) would likely be able to make a sale. So why don't they share their convincing data??

I would like to think that governments work that way, but Andy Griffith isn't Sheriff of Mayberry anymore. At least not where I live. It seems every new government building built these days is done to the 9s. If you have anything to do with construction, government gold plates everything and cost efficiency is not in their vocabulary. As HS mentions, the greenies have been in power and their programs have been in place due to the political contributions I mentioned. I am totally in favor of efficient government but I see little evidence of it. I have to respectively disagree that government will ever create efficient policy in the short term anyway.

I tend to agree with you in regards to additives not being needed in modern diesels. I use it in all my fuel mostly for my old engines since I don't want to store separate fuel.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #123  
I'm not quite as cynical about government. If anyone in government thinks he can get a promotion by running a spreadsheet that shows an 8% increase in fuel economy will definitely get attention. Maybe from his own DOD office but surely from OMB and the opposing political party. An 8% increase in "MPG" translates to many billions of dollars per year. Nobody in government ignores the billion word.

There's a lot more that goes into those decisions than just "hey we'll save some $ in fuel costs." You're adding an item to inventory so there's procurement costs associated with it, logistics costs, training costs not to mention the environmental impact statements you have to do under NEPA. Those are all significant expensive items that eat into whatever savings you get. And like I said before, when it comes to DoD, why screw with all that when you can just change the fuel specifications themselves? Get the fuel delivered to you in whatever form you want.


Putting all of our eggs in one basket with a smaller number of more $$$ and more complex machines.

I don't disagree. That's why I like the high/low mix of systems of the days of old.

Put the same latest whiz bang electronic packages on 3 or four s F-18F for the price of a single a F-35. Now send 6 to 8 F-18F's and 2of the F-35 out on an otherwise identical mission.
The F-18F's will carry more payload farther and more reliably than the F-35's. I would rather go into battle with 5 to 7 fellow F18F jockeys than one fellow F-35 jockey.

In your scenario you're basically trading procurement costs for operational costs. Operations and maintenance account for 75-80% of the total life cycle cost of a system and you're talking about consistently sending 3-4X as many aircraft to do the same mission. Not to mention that in certain high threat environments you have a higher probability of losses including losses in the most valuable and least replaceable part of the fighter system, namely the pilot.

That's where the high/low mix comes in. For high risk missions in contested airspace, you have a smaller number of F-35s that have a higher probability of surviving the mission just based on remaining undetected. Then for lower risk missions which comprise the bulk of any operation, you have a higher number of Super Hornets. You get the best of both worlds in the form of increased operational capability at a lower total lifecycle cost.

The latest F-18F with the blisk fans in the engines are stealthy and powerful.

The Hornet upgrades in development are nice and have decent front aspect stealth from all reports, but you won't ever get the same level of performance as you get in a purpose built design especially in side and rear aspects, which are the issue in heavily contested airspace. They're a great low end complement in the high low mix but unless you're happy losing pilots, I wouldn't bet the farm on them.

I would eliminate the folding wings and the tailhook to drop weight for F-18F's that will never be on carriers. Keep the HD landing gear.

Not that easy. Multiple variants increases costs in a variety of ways. Start making major structurual modifications like new wings and you'll erode the benefit you get from using an existing platform. More than one program manager has fallen into the trap of "just using existing system X and make a few changes" only to have the whole program crash and burn.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #124  
Diesel Fuel: OptiLube XPD for winter, OptiLube Summer+ for summer.
Gasoline (stored longer than 1 mo.): Stabil.

State of Minnesota forces diesel fuel suppliers to blend biodiesel, so a lubricity supplement is not likely needed, according to DieselPlace/Spicer study. That said, biodiesel degrades quickly, has algae growth problems, needs a stabilizer to ****** if engine isn't running often. Also it gels at a higher temp, so even blending with #1 diesel is no guarantee of not gelling. OptiLube XPD has significant antigel & stabilizer. My engine is mechanical fuel injection, so also has low injection pressure along with indirect injection method. This needs higher cetane than more expensive engines, so I also need cetane boost. Pump diesel is bare minimum cetane around here (~ 40). My engine (Yanmar) spec is 45 cetane minimum, 50 preferred. Japan & Europe have much higher quality diesel fuels than U.S. This keeps injector tips & piston rings much cleaner, and uses less fuel (documented).
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #125  
Japan & Europe have much higher quality diesel fuels than U.S. This keeps injector tips & piston rings much cleaner, and uses less fuel (documented).
Is that still true with ULSD? I know that it was true pre-ULSD but these days, I think the current Euro spec (Euro-IV or Euro-V) is pretty much the same as ULSD.

Aaron Z
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #126  
I wander what diesel additives do to a tier 4 engine? High pressure injectors and a particulate filter.

I would ask a different question - what would untreated biodiesel do to a tier 4 engine? And how can you tell how long the fuel has been stored when you get it?

I do know that biodiesel degrades much quicker & promotes algae growth much faster than fossil diesel, and also gels at higher temps.

For non biodiesel, how do you know the lubricity of your fuel? The ultra high pressure injector nozzles need high lubricity.

I would not be willing to risk my many thousand dollar fuel injection system to save a couple cents. No, I am not paranoid, but know how big oil 'works' as well - lowest quality crap they can get away with at the pump (yes, I have seen sample data).
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #127  
Is that still true with ULSD? I know that it was true pre-ULSD but these days, I think the current Euro spec (Euro-IV or Euro-V) is pretty much the same as ULSD.

Aaron Z

Yes it's still true - they put out the bare minimum cetane they can get away with, and lubricity is still below EMA's recommendation of 460 mm max scar on 4 ball wear test (they will only admit to meeting 520 mm)

As we all know, even though sulfur was always considered a contaminant, it provided fuel lubricity. It also promoted particulate (soot) formation in combustion, so they needed to get rid of it. In the process of removing via severe hydrotreating of the fuel, they also stripped out the heaviest ends of the fuel itself - leaving us with low lubricity fuel with less power. Great, huh?
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #128  
Saw this report years ago when I started buying diesel cars, I was surprised to see using bio diesel if you can in your area is one of the best things you can run in the fuel. I use power service in winter when the bio comes out, the diesels all run better with power service. HS

HS - 'best' only in terms of increasing lubricity. Not good in terms of fuel storage life and gelling temp. The higher the temp the shorter the fuel storage life - that should be a concern in TX for sporadic running diesel engines.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #129  
HS - 'best' only in terms of increasing lubricity. Not good in terms of fuel storage life and gelling temp. The higher the temp the shorter the fuel storage life - that should be a concern in TX for sporadic running diesel engines.
During summer it's hard to find diesel without bio, so rather than run both I just rely on the bio in summer. HS
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #130  
Ok, testimonial here. PS silver claims to be a Cetane improver. The improvement using this is quite noticeable in my 70's design Yanmar, the YM240. From what I've read, that model was built expecting Japanese Cetane level of 45+, while US diesel only has to be 40 or better.

The improvement using PS specifically is: starting always fires on the first compression stroke and it clanks a lot less, at lower rpm, while warming up. Those effects are observable. Less smoke under heavy throttle and lower rpm before it gets down into the clanking range might be wishful thinking but I believe these are real too. And all of these effects are consistent with an increase of Cetane level.

As for my two later Yanmars, YM186D's designed in the 80's, its not obvious if they benefit from Power Service. They start instantly regardless.

Conclusion: In my opinion the Cetane improvement of PS Silver is real, and helpful, in one of my diesels.
 

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