Please use an appropriate holster

[drssg]

I'm no expert, but from the training I've had, an "appropriate" holster covers and protects the trigger from being accidentally pulled. So it is not considered unsafe to carry a gun in a holster with a round in the chamber.

Also, any reasonably modern gun has design improvements to avoid drop firing. So carrying a revolver with an empty chamber under a hammer is no longer a relevant precaution. If an operator felt incompetent to protect the trigger, then he would need to carry a revolver with an empty chamber next to the hammer, because that's the one that would fire.

I believe it's extremely uncommon for anyone to carry a single action revolver for personal protection, so I don't think that is even relevant to this topic.

 

[RoyJackson]

I'm no expert, but from the training I've had, an "appropriate" holster covers and protects the trigger from being accidentally pulled. So it is not considered unsafe to carry a gun in a holster with a round in the chamber.

Also, any reasonably modern gun has design improvements to avoid drop firing. So carrying a revolver with an empty chamber under a hammer is no longer a relevant precaution. If an operator felt incompetent to protect the trigger, then he would need to carry a revolver with an empty chamber next to the hammer, because that's the one that would fire.

I believe it's extremely uncommon for anyone to carry a single action revolver for personal protection, so I don't think that is even relevant to this topic.

Many handguns (including single actions made since the early 1990's (or earlier)) use a transfer bar hammer/firing pin. Very few (no modern guns, except some replicas like Cimmaron and Uberti) have a firing pin on the hammer. This makes them perfectly safe to carry with 6 in the cylinder.
As far as sem-auto...all most all use a transfer bar as well, or a striker. Again, as long as one keeps their finger off the trigger, perfectly safe.
Handguns that have been modified for a lighter trigger probably aren't the best to carry for self defense though...not IMHO.

 

[tnjind]

Of course not, because there aren't many options in that situation. I do choose to avoid things like skydiving because of the danger.
It's just that considering all the factors of gun carrying, I feel I'm safer overall without one. Even in a crime situation, pulling out a gun doesn't guarantee success. If fact, it could make things much worse.
What I'm saying is I believe for every one successful CCW event, there are more than one bad ones. I know you disagree, but it's hard to get exact figures on this.

I like the way you debate. This topic is everywhere and most anti gun people, and pro gun, get very emotional (and person) so insults fly.
Your comments are refreshing.

BTW, I carry daily.

 

[Soundguy]

I have a SIG p230, it has a decocker. I was practicing draw and fire at the range one day back in about 97 or so. After about 3 good draw and fire drills, one a draw a wasp or hornet hit me on the wrist. Gun had one in the chamber but was decocked. I used to be allergic to wasps, so as it all played out in slow motion, me mid draw and wasp landing I was caught between reholstering or draw and evade. Anyway wasp hit me and I dropped the gun on the outdoor carpeted floor the range had. As expected, nothing bad happened. As a bonus I found out I no longer had bad reactions from wasps. Made me feel real good about sings. I have 2 more SIG pistols now as well.

 

[JRobyn]

I must, perforce, aqpologize for calling this thread a "stupid conversation" that was a judgemental error on my part, and it was bad manners. Sorry to offend.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all who celebrate this season.

PS..Check your firearms at the Canadian border, please. Short guns are not routinely allowed in Canada. We have no need of them here...not yet. Canada is pretty fussy about allowing criminals in, too, is why.

As the OP, apology accepted. Although I don't really think the early part of the thread was what you were referring to.

drssg, in post #95, succinctly stated what I had in mind at the outset (thanks drssg).

- Jay

 

[MossRoad]

Thread pruned. Comments, quotes, insults, rebuttals, deleted duplicates, doors, drawers and underwear all removed. Please continue the original discussion. Thanks.

 

[Tollster]

Just ordered a Sneaky Pete, so now, everyone with think my CW is a cell phone!

 

[bumperm]

I think it is beyond reasonable to carry any gun cocked and loaded. it is simply inviting trouble.
I was a soldier in several war zones. I always carried an automatic pistol, A Browning, identical to a US .45 ACP, except it was a 9mm with a thirteen shot magazine. It was a single action weapon, carried in a web holster on my belt, with a lanyard.

Jix

It seems you consider yourself somewhat of an expert . . . but even experts often have differing opinions.

I was a cop back in the 70's, off duty I carried a Browning Hi-Power too, one in the chamber, hammer down, off safe. I practiced drawing and cocking, just another option to what you did, racking the slide, but with the advantage that I could do it with one hand - either one. No way would I carry that gun cocked and locked (condition 1) as one might safely do with a 1911. There was no trigger safety and no firing pin block safety, that and the fact the manual safety lever was small and relatively easy to bump off (weak detent).

More modern semi-autos typically have more and better safety features than that Browning. Still I would only carry with a holster that covers the trigger. I always have one in the chamber, hammer down on a DA/SA like my Sig P229. But cocked and safety on with my Sig P938, which, like the 1911 is single action. Like many modern semi autos, and unlike on the Hi-Power, the trigger must be held back in order for the firing pin block to clear the pin - this prevents a discharge if the firearm is dropped and also if the trigger is bumped but not held depressed. The manual safety has a strong detent, so it's unlikely to get bumped to off. Still, when the gun is drawn the trigger finger is placed straight down the slide, never on the trigger. The thumb flicks the safety to off when presenting the gun to shoot. The manual safety is quite positive, blocking the hammer so it cannot fall when on safe.

Some people are not comfortable carrying a 1911 style gun cocked and locked. I have no problem with that, their choice, though done correctly it is safe.

Shooting the floorboards in the patrol car was *always* caused by the officer playing with the gun - - and we had revolvers. You can't force people to be safe.

bumper

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[Bird]

Shooting the floorboards in the patrol car

Only once do I recall that happening and it wasn't playing with the gun.:laughing: In the days before air-conditioned patrol cars (which we first got in 1968) it was hot in Dallas in the summer. An older officer had a bright idea; he shot holes in the floor of his patrol car for drainage, then put a big block of ice in the floor. He got a few days off without pay when someone at the garage reported it.:laughing:

 

[Tollster]

If its not chambered, I always believed it to be a paper weight if its not ready to go. I don't mess with it in public places. It is only meant to be used when no option is available.. I could see where a warzone my be different, as the battle lines may seem more apparent. But, leaving a theater, and retuning to your car downtown in a moderately to poorly lit parkade, with stairwells that smell like piss, is not the place to have a paper weight.. ( granted we can all say, park somewhere else in hindsight, but sooner or later, you'll be far away from your car, before you realize this is not the place you should be)
I recall my father telling me many years ago," if you ever, ever pull a pistol on someone, be prepared to use it, without thought, as the thought should have been process by now, if you don't use it, file down the sight.... it'll be easier to pull outa your arse".
I never forgot what he said.