2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much?

/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #1  

Yamezz

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I'm looking at a 2006 model 4720 with about 2,000 hours. What's the life expectancy of one of these tractors? Is 2,000 hours at the end of its life? Half way through? Thanks.
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #2  
The county that at I used to work for had an in house fleet shop. They figured 175,000 miles for gas, 300,000 for diesel, 10,000 hours for diesel over 100 hp; 6000 hours for a diesel below 100 hp. Somewhere around those points they figured a machine started costing too much to repair.

Do, basically your looking at a 33% used up machine. Sure, some might die at 4500 hours, others might go 12,000 hours, but for a light diesel, that probably wouldn't be worth a rebuild, 6000.
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #3  
It depends on how well the tractor has been maintained.

If it's been used commercially, it might have a Power-Reverser transmission. As a homeowner's tractor, it might be more apt to have the eHydro transmission, which in my opinion has a much longer lifespan when the hydraulic oil and filters are changed periodically, at least every 500 hours.

2,000 hours is a lot on a tractor that hasn't been well-maintained. On the other hand, it's just broken-in if it's been cared for.

Depending on what the tractor's been used for, you may find signs of excessive wear or abuse. I would look for cracks or missing pieces of cast iron at the rear of the machine and leaks at the front axle and underside of the tractor. The motor should be clean. I would expect the seller to have documentation of engine oil and filter replacements and other repairs to provide with a well-maintained tractor.

If the tractor has a loader you should cycle it through its functions several times. It should respond very quickly no matter how many hours, especially an eHydro model. The loader's pins are apt to be a little loose, depending on how much loader work the tractor has been used for.

If you really want to get serious, you can send fluid samples for analysis through your John Deere dealer or any truck stop like T/A for example.

Good luck! The 4720 is a great machine and packs a lot of power for its size.
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #4  
The 2006 4720 series tractors used a Deere manufactured engine (2014 4x20 series machines use a Yanmar engine).
Both Deere and Yanmar build outstanding engines and one can expect well in excess of 5000 hours on either brand...if maintained (regular oil/filter changes and valve adjustments).
If the tractor is in good shape, I expect you'll get you'll get many years service out of it. But, like any used equipment (or vehicle), give it a good look over before putting your money down.
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much?
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Thanks guys. I'll go have a look at it in person.
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #6  
When I bought my tractor I talked to yanmar the guy told me they will go 5000 hours at rated. I've got 230 now so don't think I have to worry for a while
 
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Just to wind up this thread: I looked at the tractor, and decided it wasn't worth the risk. Turns out it was actually a 2005 model, The filter still has 1,267 hours written on it (machine had done 2,030) and it had seen hard use. The 4x4 was stuck in engaged mode and the diff was running super hot. Both the tractor and the implements it came with had never seen a day under cover. Still, I'm happy I went to look at it - more knowledge for the future.
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #8  
Probably a good choice, sounds like they weren't big on maintenance.
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #9  
The county that at I used to work for had an in house fleet shop. They figured 175,000 miles for gas, 300,000 for diesel, 10,000 hours for diesel over 100 hp; 6000 hours for a diesel below 100 hp. Somewhere around those points they figured a machine started costing too much to repair.

Do, basically your looking at a 33% used up machine. Sure, some might die at 4500 hours, others might go 12,000 hours, but for a light diesel, that probably wouldn't be worth a rebuild, 6000.

Very nice rule of thumb Mr PH. Thanks for that. I'm looking at a 6410 with 104HP and 1600 hours, seems light on the hours to me (2000 model) but I'll take a look on Friday morning. Wish I had a better idea of what else to look for. Just reading the forums (which are fantastic) I see lots of small but irritating electrical issues so I guess I'm going to have to test each function carefully and let the relays/wiring/fuses/ solenoids heat up.
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #10  
You don't have to be done highly skilled mechanic or know-it-all to spot a piece of junk. The looks of a machine and your gut will tell you all you need to know.
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #11  
The key is look the machine over from top to bottom good and don't be afraid to run it before buying. When I go look at a machine first thing I look for is it all there such as sheet metal, muffler, gauges, lights, etc. If it's an open station I inspect the seat for cracks, look at the gauges and the steering wheel emblem for signs of sitting out including paint. Do you notice any noticeable repairs and if so does it look to be repaired correctly. This is a good indication on how good they are on maintenance and if they just hack things to get by. Example would be if a tie rod end has fallen off and they used bailing twine to hold it on to get by. Inspect the tires for how much life is left and if they are a matching set. Go around back of machine and look at lift arms to make sure they are there, not damaged, drawbar is in place, and PTO shaft is not broke off. Looks for slop in steering wheel and inspect front axle for damage and wear. If everything is good at this point then inspect hydraulic oil. Is it full of hydraulic oil, does oil look clean, is there drip on bottom side of tractors. If oil is not full it either indicates, a leak, or the person failed to fill it up all the way. In most cases though its a leak. IS there axles that use gear oil? If so look for leaks and check level. Next go to engine & check engine oil. Is the oil level full and clean? If its low, it either burns it, has a leak or they never filled it up. Again most likely a leak or uses it. Next check coolant. Is it clean and full? If not again a leak or was not filled full. Check Power steering reservoir if it has one. Inspect battery and tray for leaks/damage. Looks for over all leaks, check rims for calcium damage around valve stems. Turn on all lights and turn signals and verify they all work. If the tractor passes your inspection so far now fire it up. Does it start easy? Do gauges function? Does alternator show charging, does it have good oil pressure, any warning lights on, does temp gauge come up to operating temp after using tractor a while? Does PTO work and if equipped with a PTO brake does it stop. Does the hour meter work? If so do the hours appear to reflect the hours of the overall condition of the machine? Do you notice wear on pedals or levers? Now drive it. Make sure brakes work, all gears work and no out of the ordinary noises, does differential lock work? Is there any smoke from engine, does it miss, is engine quick to respond? Get tractor up to operating temperature, check for slop again in steering, and raise hydraulics up and down. Is hydraulics quick to respond? Test parking brake. Apply brakes and start letting out clutch while in gear to see if engine pulls down. If access to PTO implements test hydraulics and PTO that they work under load fine. Last but not least ask questions about history of tractor such as what oils and weights used, when serviced & when he greases machine. If it passes this entire test than most likely you got a good machine. Even then its nice to allow $500 to 1,000 for any small unknowns you may have not catched. Take off money accordingly for any repairs or replacement of parts needed if you are happy with your findings.
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #12  
The key is look the machine over from top to bottom good and don't be afraid to run it before buying. When I go look at a machine first thing I look for is it all there such as sheet metal, muffler, gauges, lights, etc. If it's an open station I inspect the seat for cracks, look at the gauges and the steering wheel emblem for signs of sitting out including paint. Do you notice any noticeable repairs and if so does it look to be repaired correctly. This is a good indication on how good they are on maintenance and if they just hack things to get by. Example would be if a tie rod end has fallen off and they used bailing twine to hold it on to get by. Inspect the tires for how much life is left and if they are a matching set. Go around back of machine and look at lift arms to make sure they are there, not damaged, drawbar is in place, and PTO shaft is not broke off. Looks for slop in steering wheel and inspect front axle for damage and wear. If everything is good at this point then inspect hydraulic oil. Is it full of hydraulic oil, does oil look clean, is there drip on bottom side of tractors. If oil is not full it either indicates, a leak, or the person failed to fill it up all the way. In most cases though its a leak. IS there axles that use gear oil? If so look for leaks and check level. Next go to engine & check engine oil. Is the oil level full and clean? If its low, it either burns it, has a leak or they never filled it up. Again most likely a leak or uses it. Next check coolant. Is it clean and full? If not again a leak or was not filled full. Check Power steering reservoir if it has one. Inspect battery and tray for leaks/damage. Looks for over all leaks, check rims for calcium damage around valve stems. Turn on all lights and turn signals and verify they all work. If the tractor passes your inspection so far now fire it up. Does it start easy? Do gauges function? Does alternator show charging, does it have good oil pressure, any warning lights on, does temp gauge come up to operating temp after using tractor a while? Does PTO work and if equipped with a PTO brake does it stop. Does the hour meter work? If so do the hours appear to reflect the hours of the overall condition of the machine? Do you notice wear on pedals or levers? Now drive it. Make sure brakes work, all gears work and no out of the ordinary noises, does differential lock work? Is there any smoke from engine, does it miss, is engine quick to respond? Get tractor up to operating temperature, check for slop again in steering, and raise hydraulics up and down. Is hydraulics quick to respond? Test parking brake. Apply brakes and start letting out clutch while in gear to see if engine pulls down. If access to PTO implements test hydraulics and PTO that they work under load fine. Last but not least ask questions about history of tractor such as what oils and weights used, when serviced & when he greases machine. If it passes this entire test than most likely you got a good machine. Even then its nice to allow $500 to 1,000 for any small unknowns you may have not catched. Take off money accordingly for any repairs or replacement of parts needed if you are happy with your findings.

Many thanks, a few things on there that were not on my list for sure. Really appreciate it!
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #14  
fieldman12...a very well thought out and informational list. We appreciate your attention to detail. I just hope that someone who takes your checklist advice has the mechanical smarts and common sense to know the actual condition of the tractor...it's not that your list is confusing, but as skilled as I am at mechanical devices, your list of things to check is very extensive.

May as well admit this: Back in 1982 I purchased my first used car at the age of 31, I was sure I had carefully checked it over prior to purchase but once I had owned it for a while I realized I didn't get (bleeped over) as badly as I could have been....:laughing: Made me a lot more attentive the next time I purchased one !!!
 
/ 2006 4720 - Is 2,000 hours too much? #15  
We looked at a deere 444k front end loader.. a commercial machine, and had bald tires, 2950hrs on it, not bad condition on the outside, but was a 2010 model. The engine area, totally oily.. was leaking from 3 areas , main pan, hydro pump etc.. uncommon for the years and hours on the machine. Apparently use for paving operations for roadwork... if it was the right price, i would have still considered it but it was $106,000 and new "brand spankin new" theyre $140s, we got a 13, 524k with 700hrs, looked NEARLY mint/new for not a ton more... sometimes the difference in the devalued amount of the "abuse" isn't worth it in the end at all.
 

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