MY local fire department has STUPID policies.....

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   / MY local fire department has STUPID policies..... #91  
If the tone of the OP was different, the issue with inspection still exists.

It sure does .. I can't help but think he may be known for his kind approach and when he got the permit perhaps the fire chief is already planning how to conduct the inspection!!
 
   / MY local fire department has STUPID policies..... #92  
If the tone of the OP was different, the issue with inspection still exists.
The OP's tone my be affected because his fiance was going to be away for a few days.
<snip> Boy am I in a rotten mood tonight, just helped my fiancee pack up and load her clothing (because she is babysitting her grandkids the next several days) :laughing: and I am going to have to get used to being alone until Sunday.

He may be in a better mood Monday.
 
   / MY local fire department has STUPID policies..... #93  
If she's smart she will keep on moving down the road.
 
   / MY local fire department has STUPID policies..... #94  
Just saying .. Maybe she babysits a lot!!
 
   / MY local fire department has STUPID policies..... #95  
He never said how long the permit is good for once he gets it. He never said how long they told him it would be before they would come out.

What? You are a burn permit lawyer now? :laughing:

There are numerous legitimate reasons why a person needs the township to follow their own burn procedures in a timely manner. The weather is at the top of those, but people do have schedules and other commitments too. The fire must be attended and that will take the better part of a day. For that matter the Fire Chief may know that part of his force or equipment is not available on a given day.

It makes no common sense if I would go and ask for a permit to burn and request the required inspection, that someone shows up (maybe, sometime) in the next 2-3 weeks. That meets no useful service standard. Some of you are beating Bill over the head with rules he didn't create and is trying to comply with. I seriously doubt that Bill filled out the permit and asked, When are you MORONS going to inspect my burn pile?

Let's not confuse the issue of making government work with the issue of the nature/quality of the burn pile. Working government means someone shows up, if that is the process, and either approves or denies the burn. If denied, that is an excellent time for education on the matter. Fire Chiefs work to prevent fires too.

Bottom line, don't make up rules if you aren't willing or able to execute them.
 
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This thread is bigger than his pile. I'm detecting a pattern as to what garners the most attention around here.
 
   / MY local fire department has STUPID policies..... #97  
O.P. Maybe show up at the firehall with a box or two of beer. Most everyone likes a cold one on a hot day. That wont get you your burn permit now, but it might get you one in the future. I also would set a smaller pile within the confines of the bylaws and light it off. Use the bigger pile as the extra fuel for the fire. It might take longer this way, but I think it would be more 'legal'.
 
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Maybe I missed something.

Aaron Z posted this in post # 37 for michigan regulations

Burn permits are NOT required:
Cooking or recreational campfires
Anytime there is continuous snow cover adjacent to your fire
Household paper materials that does not contain plastic, rubber, foam, or textiles that is burned in a container constructed of metal or masonry, with a covering device having openings no larger than 3/4 of an inch

Similar to my area. No permit needed for recreational/cooking. So have hotdogs and buns handy.

BUT, it also says no permit needed if snow cover.

So...IF no permit is needed, why try so hard to get one. Just burn it.
 
   / MY local fire department has STUPID policies..... #99  
Maybe I missed something.
Similar to my area. No permit needed for recreational/cooking. So have hotdogs and buns handy.
BUT, it also says no permit needed if snow cover.
So...IF no permit is needed, why try so hard to get one. Just burn it.
It also says no construction materials (like the dimensional lumber seen in the pictures) and his town or county probably has a stricter ordinance with size limits because I don't see the size limits on the state site.

Aaron Z
 
   / MY local fire department has STUPID policies..... #100  
let's remember this is rural living, not unfriendly politics...JD/Bill is a bright guy, if emotional, and with all this dumped on his head, I think he gets the point. Piling on doesn't help.
I did the same thing when I started year a few years back, got all PiXXed off at one of our dependable advertisers, who sent me a subsoiler that had been dragged down the road it look like. I was incensed. My wife was dying and I wanted to get a garden in before she died and I needed that subsoiler, lot of emotion wrapped up in silly things that vendors sure don't know, and I let it all hang out here. Got my ears pinned back. My favorite was being called a yuppie.
What a hoot. And so I learned that starting threads when I was thoroughly ticked off (like JD/Bill...) did not have good ending. Actually we all learned a lot in that thread about managing expectations on new farm equipment.
But I learned the biggest lesson of all.
Keep the honey jar close.

Being nice may have gotten JDGreen nowhere btw, but it sure is the place to start.
I still think he ought to have a controlled burn there with a couple cases of beer and soda for the firemen.
The darned pile is way too big; I would never light that off without a charged line nearby and not some half inch garden hose either. Once it gets away from you, it's Panic City.
And it likely won't. But if it does, that's what JD has no plan for. No ability to put it out.
And what a way to meet the neighbors by torching off one of their pine trees.
Lots of excitement, though honestly with all that snow, pretty unlikely.
But not totally unlikely, and that's why they have rules.

Those of you who live on big properties think this is all nonsense. Problem is living in a rural turning suburban environment where zoning and rule makers abound. Our farm had a private dump when I grew up. Can't do that anymore. We had our own stone incinerator. Can't do that anymore. The only way to get away from the bureaucratic paperchase JD is going through is to move further out, away from the rule makers.
 
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