05 m5700 clutch problems

[hazer36]

looking at this tractor to buy.only has 1400hrs been used in poultry houses,problem is grinds when shifting gears,can turn tractor off then shift it,also stopped pulling going forward,reverser seems to work ok,next problem 3 pt hitch won't raise,do you think it needs clutch,loader works well:dance1:

 

[hazer36]

which clutch do you think is the problem dry disk or wet?

 

[Tx Jim]

Does tractor have syncro or hydro shuttle?

 

[hazer36]

I really don't know for sure,never had shuttle shift before,it has a foot clutch pedal and also shift lever on dash

 

[Tx Jim]

Do you have to depress clutch pedal to shift shuttle lever? Does shuttle lever have a guard under lever or just the lever? Hyd shuttle has wet clutches & syncro shuttle has a dry clutch. Does clutch pedal have any free travel?

 

[hazer36]

no free travel in pedal,no gaurd around dash lever,no you don;t have to use clutch to use lever on dash but he did with stick shift

 

[rbargeron]

With hydraulic shuttle the model number has an H - like M5700HD. Either setup could have a problem that produces the symptoms you're seeing - most likely from abusing the shuttle (high rpm or partial clutch shifts) tractor likely needs to be split to repair.

 

[hazer36]

how much is tractor worth as is,paint faded and has dings,it has a rough 1400 hrs

 

[RollingsFarms]

how much is tractor worth as is,paint faded and has dings,it has a rough 1400 hrs

Honestly, and this is just from what I know and have seen firsthand, you couldn't give me a tractor that came from a chicken house operation. Not only are they run really hard by help, they are always beaten up for whatever reason. That 1400 hours on the tractor you describe would be the equivalent to about 2400 or more hours on another machine. I'd take a tractor that did commercial crop farming its whole life before I'd ever look at one that came from a chicken farm.

 

[rbargeron]

A nice shed-kept M5700HD with LA1002 loader, 1400 well-maintained hours, decent rubber & sheet metal might be in the high teens. But used hard, looking rough and needing $2k-$3k or more in repairs it can drop to low teens or less pretty fast. Pinpointing a price for a tractor that's beat is very tricky. You could buy it for $10k and be thinking it was a good deal - but you might not know for sure until after everything is fixed.

 

[TomSeller]

This might be one of those legitimate low ball offer opportunities.

 

[hazer36]

I have a poultry farm and have a 02 5320 2wd deere with 1700hrs that looks new,well mantained,my dad bought it new,also have mf 245 with 4500hrs looks good,alot depends on who operates tractor,owner vs hired help,I really need 4wd due to litter saver,windrow blade and decaker we use
guy wants 12,500 for it,I was thinking more around 10k

 

[hazer36]

poor guy is about to lose his farm,the company quit his contract,hate to beat him on tractor,but not knowing how much money for repairs I don't want to beat myself either
could it be the dry disk ahead of the wet pack
or am I not understanding this system
I am mech inclined(spelling and grammer challenged though):laughing:I think I can do repairs

 

[Tx Jim]

could it be the dry disk ahead of the wet pack
or am I not understanding this system

No not if I'm understanding you correctly. Dry clutch disk is a damper disk to absorb shock. Pushing down on clutch pedal on a hydro shuttle controls a hyd valve but damper disk is always engaged

 

[hazer36]

ok,now I understand,thanks for replies.
think I will keep looking

 

[rbargeron]

..... Dry clutch disk is a damper disk to absorb shock. Pushing down on clutch pedal on a hydro shuttle controls a hyd valve but damper disk is always engaged

This description is true of the Hydraulic shuttle only - the damper disk (always turning) drives the hydraulic clutch packs.

The synchro-shuttle system uses a conventional dry clutch driving a synchronized coupling mechanism. It has small cone clutches which are strong enough to spin up gears and shafts to matching speeds (shifts without grinding) - but not strong enough to handle engine torque. Operators might notice they can sometimes shift without using the clutch pedal so they do it more and more, eventually wearing out the synchro assembly.

 

[rbargeron]

..........could it be the dry disk ahead of the wet pack......I think I can do repairs

Pretty important to know for sure which model it is - then diagnose symptoms.

There are a couple possible good signs - the loader working ok means the 3 point hitch not raising might be minor. No clutch pedal free play could mean it just needs adjustment. Could even explain loss of forward motion.

 

[Tx Jim]

This description is true of the Hydraulic shuttle only - the damper disk (always turning) drives the hydraulic clutch packs.

You're correct BUT I was answering hazer36's direct question.

 

[rbargeron]

Well yes, but the question assumed both a dry clutch and wet packs. The M5700 models have one or the other, but not both. Need to know which model it is to estimate the repair. (as you asked above)

 

[Tx Jim]

Well yes, but the question assumed both a dry clutch and wet packs. The M5700 models have one or the other, but not both. Need to know which model it is to estimate the repair.

I totally agree That was the 1st question I asked hazer36 on the 21st but we still don't know the answer.