Any news on gas engine CUTS?

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   / Any news on gas engine CUTS? #261  
True, but the torque is fun (V8 class - around 300 ft. lbs. - from a 4 cyl.) and still being able to get 50MPG on the highway is fun too. So it's a win, win.

I always keep my eye open for something better though but nothing has turned up yet. Been watching the Mazda 6 diesel for like the last 2 yrs. Who knows when it will (if ever) come here. I liked the fact that they came up with a design that would meet emission spec. without a DPF but apparently they've been having problems with them. I'll keep what I have going until the dust settles on some of this stuff.

I was really interested in the jetta TDI's a couple years ago. Test drove a few gas models because there are no used TDIs to be had around here. I was pleased with the handling of the car. However, I couldn't fit in the car very well. My left leg hit the door and side panel and my right leg was exactly vertical against the center console. There was only about 1/2" of clearance for my foot on the gas pedal. Right side of my shoe hit the console and left side hit the brake pedal. I was highly impressed with the specs on the TDI but was highly disappointed with the interior dimensions. :( So we got another Impala, upgrading from our 2000 to a 2013. The 2000 was nicer, had more interior room and I could still work on the engine. The 2013 is a lot faster, but is smaller inside, and I can't work on that GDI engine. Too complicated for me.
 
   / Any news on gas engine CUTS? #262  
I am fairly certain that it's because that truck didn't have the "Trailer Tow Package" which adds:

If you don't have the "Trailer Tow Package" you are limited to towing 5000#

Aaron Z

Why can't they test with equally equipped trucks!! :banghead:
 
   / Any news on gas engine CUTS? #263  
Why can't they test with equally equipped trucks!! :banghead:
Agreed. I wonder why they would send out a demo truck unless it had the max payload/towing available for that body/drivetrain configuration?

Aaron Z
 
   / Any news on gas engine CUTS? #264  
CUT are operated in light duty service compared to field tractors. Also they are used for much fewer hours per years than a primary field tractor. Nobody uses a CUT working at max power and max rpm from sunrise to sun set four months of the year. They mow the lawn, roto till the garden, use the loader to carry materials, use the backhoe to dig holes , run a pto generator 24/7 when loaded for a few hours before meal time.

I'm going to help you with your analogy since you didn't set it up right ... and then smash it to bits for you :)

So in many posts you've associated "light duty" with mowing, some tilling etc., while "HD" or heavy duty as "field tractors" pulling 9 rows or something like that. But somehow cars/trucks have been the bulk of whats been. So to take your language and make a proper framework for the analogy, lets use the transportation industry since that's whats been mostly discussed here.

So when you talk about "light duty", you're talking about cars/pickup trucks and HD would be semi-trucks (something extreme like 'field tractors' plowing). OK, in light of that framework I can somewhat relate to your light/HD comments.

Now, you said GDI would be cheaper in the "light duty" applications. Well, I've pretty much beat that one to death already ... no lighter application than a passenger car. I showed you the economy of my 2002 and 2006 TDI's, of which no non-hybird GDI can currently beat. But you don't want to hear about that, you want to hear about Tier IV ... and you want to go with EPA MPG numbers and not real world tests. Edmonds did a GDI vs TDI test. Apparently they used the EPA estimated MPG numbers so you should whole heartedly accept the results of their test without question.

The TDI won (but just barely). Their tests (ahem, estimate) had TDI at .74 cents a gallon and the gassers all coming in at .76 cents a gallon.

TDI Versus GDI - 2011 Volkswagen Jetta TDI Long-Term Road Test

I can tell you in real world numbers, the gap between the TDI and the GDI's in this test are much farther apart. I have a co-worker with a 2013 TDI and he gets much better than the EPA esitmate (again, EPA gives very conservative estimates for the TDI - everyone I talk too beats their estimate by a significant margin while they give inflated numbers for the GDI - which is why Ford, Kia, and others are going to court over it) and I have driven every car in the test except the Cruz. There is no comparison in the size, feel, handling, performance etc. of the TDI. The only one of the bunch that had any soul whatsoever was the Focus. If I couldn't have the TDI I would take the Focus. It is very zippy and fun to drive and handles very well. But it doesn't get the claimed MPG. I rented one just a few months ago and drove to Michigan and back (over 1,000 miles) in it and it was a pleasure to drive but I got closer to the 30MPG mark and it was all 100% highway driving.

It has been a while since I drove an Elantra but it had absolutely no soul at all. Didn't feel much different than driving an older Corolla.

To your point, the TDI was $2K more but it's trim level, size, handling, safety crash rating, and performace is worth that to me. The Focus was the second best out of the bunch but doesn't have the size, ecconomy or crash safety rating of the TDI.

If you compare actual real-world MPG, the TDI will make up the $2K premium if you want to count pennies. As long as I keep vehicles (and I usually don't buy them new so I don't pay the premium to start with), $2K extra is nothing if it is a vehicle I like and will keep for 10+ years.

So there you have it, Tier IV TDI vs 3 top GDI's using "fictitious" EPA numbers ... the TDI wins. It's on the Interent so it must be true. Bonjour!
 
   / Any news on gas engine CUTS? #266  
I was really interested in the jetta TDI's a couple years ago. Test drove a few gas models because there are no used TDIs to be had around here. I was pleased with the handling of the car. However, I couldn't fit in the car very well. My left leg hit the door and side panel and my right leg was exactly vertical against the center console. There was only about 1/2" of clearance for my foot on the gas pedal. Right side of my shoe hit the console and left side hit the brake pedal. I was highly impressed with the specs on the TDI but was highly disappointed with the interior dimensions. :( So we got another Impala, upgrading from our 2000 to a 2013. The 2000 was nicer, had more interior room and I could still work on the engine. The 2013 is a lot faster, but is smaller inside, and I can't work on that GDI engine. Too complicated for me.

The seats will raise/lower and the steering wheel telescopes in/out. Usually there is plenty of room for up front for tall drivers (I'm 6ft., have a friend that is 6'-6" and he actually fits in the Mk IV/A4 model) but if you have (large) people in the back, the Jetta can get small quick. My kids were smaller when we got our 2006 and now that they are adult size it is cramped for long trips. The Passat is bigger and there isn't much difference in the economy of the two MPG wise these days. I've held off getting one to wait and see who comes out with what and how reliable it is. Been renting vehicles to go in vacation etc., ... gives everyone a change and I get to try out the latest stuff.

I have a friend in Indy that loves the Impala (his dad retired from GM) and has had several ... it's what he currently drives.
 
   / Any news on gas engine CUTS? #267  
I didn't realize you spoke German.

I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

bonjour.jpeg
 
   / Any news on gas engine CUTS? #269  
Ever looked at the rust on a 9 plus year old pickup truck?
Ever look at the odometer of a 9 plus year old pickup truck.
Yep, I have a 2005 Yukon XL in the driveway with about 120k miles on the clock. Not a spot of rust on and and still in almost perfect shape.
Spent its life in SC until last spring. The dad bought it, sold to his son (for his sons wifes car) and I bought it from him.

Aaron Z
 
   / Any news on gas engine CUTS? #270  
Yes, what does that have to do with anything? My F-150 is over 16 years old with over 120K. miles. And your point is?

You truck is an exception. Drivers around here with 8-10yr old trucks are either shopping for a new vehicle or for a barrel of bondo to fill in the rust holes.
My 2003 has 156,000 miles and has hardly been driven the past three years.
 
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