Put a tap on your honeybee hive!

   / Put a tap on your honeybee hive! #11  
Seems to be an excessive amount of work for a hoax. Also... you don't want to mess with crowd funding folks. You get them ticked off and they'll come back at you with a vengeance... kind of like bees! :laughing:
 
   / Put a tap on your honeybee hive! #12  
Interesting patent and invention. I don't see this as a hoax, but I see it as an invention that won't solve a "problem." Bees don't always do what human's would like. I can see that product costing a lot of money and most people that buy it won't be using it 3 years later.
 
   / Put a tap on your honeybee hive!
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#13  
I'm inclined to think that honeyflow.com is a joke instead of being something that actually does work.
Well I didn't want to put long quotes in here. And I'm always unsure about linking to other forums because some moderators "correct" me.

I can't imagine how something like this could possibly work. I don't see anything on the Michael Bush website referring to this. The idea is being met with great skepticism on the largest beekeeping forum that I frequent, and since Michael Bush isn't popping up to support or refute his quote (and he's a frequent contributor) maybe he's in on the joke. I think its a prank.

Maybe either I read the wrong forums or you should try the beesource forum. Here's what someone who signs as Michael Bush wrote:
>Thanks, It's one to follow for sure. Like I said in my original post it seems ingenious but looks like all the kinks weren't worked out.

Well, as I see it, the kinks are worked out, although they keep trying to improve things.

I thought it was impossible when I first saw it. I actually wondered if it was a spoof or if it was real. But after seeing how it works and watching them do one frame in the open live on skype while I could see the entire frame and talk to them and after they sent me a box worth of them to test, I can assure you it works. My test of it so far is too small and over too short of a time to be sure what I think of it in practice, but I can't imagine that I'm going to find too many disadvantages. My issue now is, I'm not sure how I will manage my hives using them as it changes several things I have always done. First, I run all eight frame mediums and these are deeps, so I'll have to buy some deeps (which I already did). Second, it makes a hive much more static in size when you can empty the combs without even opening the hive really. No need to stack the supers up so high when you can just drain them periodically without having to clean up the extractor and all the equipment and the kitchen every time. Just draining it into a bucket eliminates all of that mess. The queen won't lay in them because they are too deep so you don't need an excluder (which I don't use, but some people do). You don't have to run the bees out to harvest so you eliminate all of that part of harvesting as well. In recent years I've had all the same size boxes and I try to leave them honey for winter. This may change my view of some of how I determine what to leave them since these are deeper combs and can't be used for brood I don't think I want them to cluster in them over winter. So I'll have to work out the details of how I will use them as far as when to put them on, take them off, drain them, how many mediums to have on below them etc. In other words, I'm pretty sure I'll be using them, it will just be too useful not to, but exactly how that impacts my total system I'm not really sure, until I've tried to work those details out.

When I first saw it I thought of this story from "Mastering the Art of Beekeeping" by Ormond and Harry Aebi:

" 'I want to buy one of your beehives' he said. 'I want you to bring it to me tomorrow at eleven in the morning and I want you to set it up on top of a ten foot pole that I'll have set up by that time. And I want you to come over every Thursday afternoon and drain out the honey so that I can have fresh honey every week.'... 'I can't place a beehive up on a pole like that,' I said. 'And even if I could, I couldn't work it to take off the honey.' 'Why not? I shall expect you to install a spigot at the bottom of the hive. All you'll have to do is open it and drain off the quantity of honey I require.' 'Beehives don't work that way,' I told him. 'I can't possibly do as you ask.'..."

And now beehives can work that way...
from Extractor-less honey by- "Honey Flow" - Page 3
 
   / Put a tap on your honeybee hive! #14  
I have been following along on that BeeSource thread. It is a very interesting concept.
 
   / Put a tap on your honeybee hive! #15  
after looking at the patent application, don't think it's a joke. Looks like it provides the honeycomb structure for the bee's to make the honey in, and then it will slide apart, separating the comb so the honey can run out.
 
   / Put a tap on your honeybee hive! #16  
The theory appears sound, but you would need extremely thin honey to be able to flow rather than just drip. Perhaps too thin so that it has too high a moisture content and fails to meet standards of what is honey in some countries. It woould never work with Scottish (or English) Heather honey.
 
   / Put a tap on your honeybee hive! #17  
I first thought this was a joke but,after reading up on it sounds like it could work. As they sat time will tell.
 
   / Put a tap on your honeybee hive! #18  
I first thought this was a joke but,after reading up on it sounds like it could work. As they sat time will tell.

The honey tap was just featured on the TV over here. (On ABC24, the national public broadcaster). The 2 inventors described how it works... and says it does, but didnt show it working. They have 'proof of concept' they say. It sounded legit to me. If its a hoax its gone beyond being a joke.
 
   / Put a tap on your honeybee hive! #20  
I think I'll stick with a mask, bee suit, and standard hive.
 

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