Regeneration Mode

   / Regeneration Mode #61  
We have had a M126GX since mid December. It now has 170hrs and several regens. With double digit highs averaged 22hrs or more between regens. With double digit lows we are averaging 15 to 17 hours between regens. Setting the idle at 1350 rpm after oil pressure light went out helped. When regen starts we just set it at pto speed and continue with chores
 
   / Regeneration Mode #62  
My experience with our big trucks is that SCR/DEF is an improvement over having just the DPF muffler alone. Reduced our issues to zero in the summer.
But if Kubota adds it to their small tractors, I hope they have a better DEF fluid heater than our Freightliner/Western Stars with Cummins and Detroit power, because any days colder than minus 25*C and my trucks trigger the check engine lights and go into derate because the heaters won't keep the DEF thawed. Then you have to go to the dealer and have it plugged into, to reset.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #63  
I just gained a whole new appreciation for my 2001 model 2910.

Wow !!!!!!! Sure glad I didn't go one size bigger when I bought the 2650 . I can see older tractor prices climbing higher and higher .
 
   / Regeneration Mode #64  
First Regen last night at 20.7 hours. It works just like my truck I was just about done working when it went into regen. 10 minutes later it was done.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #65  
Me too! Glad I bought a 2620 that doesn't have all that EPA mandated "stuff".

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   / Regeneration Mode #66  
It is not a greatly significant adder for them because those tractors already got the DPF with interim Tier 4. There is some wiggle room allowed. If a company builds with engines cleaner than required, they can continue to produce polluters for a certain time frame.

it will be a significant price increase. M9960 to M5.105 (I think) is approx. 15% price bump.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #67  
it will be a significant price increase. M9960 to M5.105 (I think) is approx. 15% price bump.
But the M5.111 gets a lot more added than just DEF. The śpecs I have on the M5-91 and M5-111 advertise larger cabs. Emissions primary hitters are CRFS and DPF which the 9960 already has. The specs I have on the M5 and M6 talk about upgrades other than just adding DEF. Whatever takes the place of a M108S will see the largest increase.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #68  
But the M5.111 gets a lot more added than just DEF. The śpecs I have on the M5-91 and M5-111 advertise larger cabs. Emissions primary hitters are CRFS and DPF which the 9960 already has. The specs I have on the M5 and M6 talk about upgrades other than just adding DEF. Whatever takes the place of a M108S will see the largest increase.

MHarryE, since you seem to be well in the know on this EPA emissions tiering, is there a date at which all these emissions requirements will apply to under 26 hp engines? Sure hope not. I already feel that any future trade ups will be limited to 26 hp or less to avoid both the added cost and complexity. Thank you EPA.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #70  
MHarryE, since you seem to be well in the know on this EPA emissions tiering, is there a date at which all these emissions requirements will apply to under 26 hp engines? Sure hope not. I already feel that any future trade ups will be limited to 26 hp or less to avoid both the added cost and complexity. Thank you EPA.[/

Actually the EU his developing additional standards tentatively referred to as Tier 5. Test results one that Tier 4 final (and I am referring to them under US terminology, not EU terminology) have allowed very fine particles to be emitted. Stage 5 is being discussed with the engine manufacturers as to how new targets can be met with tentative target date of 2019. Engine manufacturers are talking to the EPA about developing similar standard with similar implementation dates because they want to reduce the number of engine versions they need to build. It is very complicated and takes a lot if time. Before the regulations are introduced they need to determine what is feasible. Then the companies - they could always build an engine that meets the cleanest spec but fuels in different countries aren't always compatible. Price penalty - tractors are price sensitive. So there is no one type fits all, but the manufacturers would like to have all the most. The technologically advanced countries - USA, Western Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, & New Zealand for example, use a common engine. The word in the industry is nothing until 2019 but then you might not see any size diesel without a DPF. Smaller engines may be effected more than larger engines. All subject to change.
 

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